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12-21-2012 08:54 AM
blackshep Thanks Jean, it's definitely a huge relief!

At least I know what I'm dealing with now, so we can tackle it.

Have to clean her toys and everything, I'm not sure about the carpet as I don't have a steam cleaner.
12-21-2012 08:50 AM
blackshep
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Originally Posted by vickip9 View Post
Is it possible that the kibble you're feeding her is too rich? Orijen and Acana are pretty rich foods, especially for a puppy. Perhaps one thing you should consider is switching her to a less rich (lower protein, lower fat) kibble. Maybe look for a kibble that is <30% protein. See if that helps. You could also try single source protein kibble such as Pure Vita or Nutrisca. Both high quality kibble but only one source of protein and Nutrisca uses novelty carbs in chickpeas instead of the typical potato/sweet potato. Maybe a blander diet would suit her nicely. (I'm just speaking in terms of the chronic soft poops). Not sure about the other symptoms you mentioned such as the coughing. That to me sounds like kennel cough and hopefully she'll be over it soon! And the small yellowish vomit like substance is likely due to her having an empty stomach for too long. Try giving her a little bit of food/treats before putting her to bed and see if that helps.
I'm going to try not to change too much until I get this issues under control, as I don't want to give her tummy another reason to be upset with me. Vet also thinks changing foods too often as a puppy isn't a good idea, which I agree with, so I'm going to keep her on the Acana until I get the giardia cleared and then see how she does. Her poop was still a bit loose this morning, but was a bit darker colour, which I think is a good sign. Once this is under control, I'll revisit the food issue if there's still a bit of a problem.

Orijen was definitely too rich, so I think you're not wrong about that possibly being an issue. I have been giving her a 1/2 cup of food before bed time the last couple of nights and so far so good!

I think she just got hit with everything at once, poor dog. I swear she's already feeling better today.

She got a bath last night and I cleaned her bedding too. Not sure who had more water on them, the dog, me or the bathroom floor.
12-21-2012 08:43 AM
JeanKBBMMMAAN Well, giardia - good, I hope that is it!

Giardia

I would rather have Panacur for Giardia and would call and ask about that.

The metro - tylan - whatever else is used for SIBO generally is given for 30 days so it wouldn't touch that.

You're doing well!
12-21-2012 08:30 AM
blackshep
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Originally Posted by Cassidy's Mom View Post
It might be worth also testing her for SIBO anyway:
Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO) in Dogs

The giardia may have caused secondary SIBO, which will require at least 4 weeks of antibiotics (usually tylan, but with Keefer we used tetracyclline since my vet doesn't stock tylan). Even after the giardia is cleared up she may still have some stool issues.
What my vet suggested, was treat her for the giardia, then I'm going to recheck to make sure it's gone. If at that point, she's still having issues, we're going to take it a step further. I'll definitely keep that in mind if it looks like it's not completely resolved.

Question - she gave us metronidazole. Is that a dewormer? Because reading up it says it's an antibiotic? I'm not sure how that works with giardia? But would that help with the SIBO if antibiotics are required to treat that condition?
12-20-2012 10:29 PM
vickip9
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She was on Orijen at first, didn't work for her. Then I switched to Acana Pacifica which was better but still the problem is there.

I did basic puppy shots because I had to do them for puppy classes and daycare (bortadella & rabies).

Do people usually not do puppy vaccinations? That sounds scary to me, especially since she goes everywhere with me, including daycare, living in the country and training classes, so she's higher risk for exposure.

These issues started before her spay and before her second set of vaccinations. While those things could potentially have exasperated the issue, I don't in any way believe they caused it.

Anyway, thanks so far for the suggestions, especially about the PCR fecal. I'm hoping that will at least eliminate some things from what it could be.

ETA: Ageizm I do worry about my pets. I hope I'm not freaking my dog out! LOL Mostly we have lots of fun, I'm just really concerned about this not resolving after trying different things. Hopefully these tests will turn something up! And in the meantime I'll try to chill out a little. LOL
Is it possible that the kibble you're feeding her is too rich? Orijen and Acana are pretty rich foods, especially for a puppy. Perhaps one thing you should consider is switching her to a less rich (lower protein, lower fat) kibble. Maybe look for a kibble that is <30% protein. See if that helps. You could also try single source protein kibble such as Pure Vita or Nutrisca. Both high quality kibble but only one source of protein and Nutrisca uses novelty carbs in chickpeas instead of the typical potato/sweet potato. Maybe a blander diet would suit her nicely. (I'm just speaking in terms of the chronic soft poops). Not sure about the other symptoms you mentioned such as the coughing. That to me sounds like kennel cough and hopefully she'll be over it soon! And the small yellowish vomit like substance is likely due to her having an empty stomach for too long. Try giving her a little bit of food/treats before putting her to bed and see if that helps.
12-20-2012 06:03 PM
lzver I agree with the suggestions for SIBO. We had chronic diarrhea with our Jake for months and after lots of testing we found his folate levels were high which indicated SIBO. Jake was on a 2 month treatment of the antibiotic Tylan and he hasn't had problems since.


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12-20-2012 05:23 PM
Cassidy's Mom It might be worth also testing her for SIBO anyway:
Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO) in Dogs

The giardia may have caused secondary SIBO, which will require at least 4 weeks of antibiotics (usually tylan, but with Keefer we used tetracyclline since my vet doesn't stock tylan). Even after the giardia is cleared up she may still have some stool issues.
12-20-2012 05:05 PM
blackshep Well, she just ran a regular fecal to start. Tested positive for giardia!

So I'm holding off on the other stuff to see how she does on the meds. We'll repeat the fecal in 2 weeks and if she's still off, then I'll do more testing.
12-19-2012 09:20 AM
blackshep
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Originally Posted by carmspack View Post

Your vet wasn't worried about chronic yellow foamy liquid stool ? That's malabsorption. Does not matter one iota what the dog eats if it can't absorb the nutrients.

Carmen
That only happened once when she was under the weather that one day.

What's chronic is the loose poop, sometimes it's better and I think we're sorting her out, then her tummy goes off again.

anyway, she's booked for tomorrow! PCR fecal, and bloodwork and we'll go from there. I will keep you posted.

Good to know about the Orijen RAW, I'll take a look at it when it comes out.

FYI, I'm not sure if withholding her lunch yesterday helped or what, but when I got her home, her poop was basically normal last night and late in the evening and again this morning.

So I fed her a little bit bigger breakfast than usual, I'm going to skip her lunch again today, feed her a little bit bigger dinner and maybe a 1/2 cup before bed (so she doesn't get that upset tummy in the morning from being hungry) and see if that helps. It might be my feeding routine that's doing it.

But at least I can hopefully cross some things off the list after the tests tomorrow. Something's causing the problems and I'm going to figure out what.

I'll keep you guys posted, thanks for the help, sincerely.

Try not to be too hard on me, I'm doing my best with this dog and I love her very much and I am concerned. I don't know all the things you do, yet. In the meantime she's happy and sassy and otherwise doing well.
12-18-2012 09:46 PM
Ageizm
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Originally Posted by blackshep View Post
I'm afraid with Raw and a young dog that I'll screw up the vitamins and minerals. Yes, Ageizm, I am AFRAID. LOL Add it to the list! LOL
Afraid. Check!
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