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01-02-2013 07:10 PM
Freestep The Liver gene and the blue gene both "dilute" black, but each has a different mechanism for doing so. I used to know how both liver and blue worked but cannot remember the specifics. Anyone?
01-02-2013 05:05 PM
Andaka Anything that "lessens" the color black is considered a dilution.
01-02-2013 01:28 PM
Xeph Liver is not a dilute color. It changes pigment, but it is not a dilution.
01-02-2013 04:15 AM
GSDGenes Liver is a recessive color dilution of the blafck pigment found in many bloodlines of the GSD. The liver gene acts to block the action of the black pigment, so all the dog's pigment which would normally be black, is changed to a chocolate brown color which is called liver in the GSD breed.

Blue is another recessive color dilution gene found in many bloodlines of the GSD. The blue gene acts to turn all the black pigment of the dog to a dark to medium bluish gray color.
01-02-2013 02:46 AM
dnh314 Thanks wolfstraum and gsdgenes, pardon my ignorance but what does liver carrier mean?
01-02-2013 01:59 AM
GSDGenes Whenever you need more insight on a pedigree, it often helps to look at the 6 generation pedigree.

In the 6 generation pedigree for Dakota here:
6 generation long pedigree for Dakota Von Miller Haus

you can clearly see her pedigree is solidly German conformation show lines, with many very well known dogs and kennels represented. You can also get a truer idea of what linebreeding etc exists further back in the pedigree. For instance you will see that Jeck Noricum appears multiple times in this pedigree, as does Visum Arminius, Fanto v Hirschel, Uran WildsteigerLand and others.

Ero vom Batu SchH3 liver carrier
Fanto vom Hirschel SchH3FH Sieger liver carrier
Jeck v Noricum SchH3FH Sieger liver carrier
Uran v Wildstieger Land SchH3FH Sgr -b/t carried blue & dwarfism
12-15-2012 07:40 AM
wolfstraum there is no line breeding, which IMO is a good thing in the WG Showlines.....I did not look for back massing tho!

12-15-2012 03:17 AM
thoughts on her pedigree, please...

What are your inputs on her pedigree?
Dakota Von Miller Haus

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