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11-30-2012 11:07 AM
DunRingill Technically, the CGC evaluator is supposed to be someone other than the dog's regular trainer. Otherwise it's not much of a test, is it!
11-30-2012 10:57 AM
Lilie
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Originally Posted by pets4life View Post
i think u should take the test with this trainer like she promised don't you need this really bad?

you can perfect the commands after the test just get it over with. I think your dog deserves a CGC.
Wouldn't that be cheating your dog and yourself from what the CGC is truly about??
11-30-2012 01:56 AM
wolfy dog Good for you to question this trainer. If you can't find another trainer try to get a few good books. The Power of Positive Dog Training from Pat Miller is a nice one for self study.
11-29-2012 11:47 PM
pets4life i think u should take the test with this trainer like she promised don't you need this really bad?

you can perfect the commands after the test just get it over with. I think your dog deserves a CGC.
11-29-2012 10:34 PM
Killian10 Thanks for all the advice everyone, I've gotten a lot of good advice.

Right now my plan is to continue his training with just him and I until after the holidays. My goal will be to perfect these commands as much as possible. If I'm comfortable with those then I will consider a new trainer.

The commands we're going to work on are:

Healing
Watch me (where he makes eye contact and doesn't break it from distractions)
Sit
Down
Stay
Recall
Drop (dropping any of the numerous things he picks up on a daily basis)
11-29-2012 07:34 PM
llombardo
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Originally Posted by onyx'girl View Post
It really is easier to get a CGC on a biddable younger pup than one that is over a year and more independent, leaning toward aloof.
From the AKC site:
There is no age limit for the CGC test. A dog is never too old to be a good citizen. Puppies who have completed all immunizations and boosters may be tested, however, because we know that behavior and temperament can change when puppies pass the CGC test, owners should have them re-tested as adults.
I can see how this could be true. My last two were tested at about 8-9 months and neither of their personalities, temperaments, or their level of obedience has changed. In my case I think it would be easier to go take the test now. I plan to retake it with both of mine in the next year or so. Heck, I might even attempt it with my older very stubborn girl
11-29-2012 06:47 PM
Gretchen
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Originally Posted by onyx'girl View Post
It really is easier to get a CGC on a biddable younger pup than one that is over a year and more independent, leaning toward aloof.
From the AKC site:
There is no age limit for the CGC test. A dog is never too old to be a good citizen. Puppies who have completed all immunizations and boosters may be tested, however, because we know that behavior and temperament can change when puppies pass the CGC test, owners should have them re-tested as adults.
Thank you for posting this!!

I'd say my own dog was a better behaved/trained pup than when she got into adolescence. Thank goodness she has grown out of that.
11-29-2012 06:44 PM
Gretchen
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Originally Posted by Killian10 View Post
I'll try to address everyone's questions here. I'm being vague on some things because I'm not sure if my trainer is on here and I want to get some outside opinion without offending anyone.

CGC - When I was searching for a dog trainer I told her that my end goal was to get him CGC certified. I said he had no training as of yet and I wanted to do whatever would put me on the path to getting their. Her plan was 6 one on one sessions (1 hour each) and at the end he would be ready to pass. If he didn't pass she would give me two more classes and retest.

Repeating - When I say things were being repeated I don't mean training commands or actions I mean she would bring over paperwork and homework that she had given me two weeks before or tell me "OK, today we're going to learn X" and we had already started that. When I told her we had already started that she would seem confused then say, "OH, we did???". I don't want this repeating to be confused with repetition, sorry about that.

Distraction (the other handler and dog) - I should have given more details on this. The second handler and dog wasn't a distraction..it wasn't another trainder...it was another student, who was further behind in the training than we were.

Expectations - I agree with you all 100% as far as where he should be and that 6 weeks is not enough time to expect this or that out of him. Right now he walks great on a leash. He will recall 75% of the time, knows sit, down, and stay and will perform them 70% of the time. Distraction...he has A.D.D. but he's a puppy, I get that. I think I let this trainer fill me head with false expectations and that's why I was looking at it the way I was.
This does not seem fair or professional. Maybe should get 1/2 off for those days.

I admire your honesty in making sure your dog has the skills it needs to pass the test. Our trainer has his own test similar to CGC, and the dogs do well at this test in the training field, but in real life - I've seen some fail and can't believe they'd had training in general.

The Petsmart near us does CGC. We talked with a trainer once about it and she said if our dog is basically trained, she said we could arrange one private petsmart lesson with her and go over everything that would be expected with CGC. That sounded reasonable, and if there is one area that needs improvement then you'll know what to work on.

So maybe practice on your own until you feel comfortable, then find another trainer to give you a private prep/run through.
11-29-2012 06:25 PM
onyx'girl It really is easier to get a CGC on a biddable younger pup than one that is over a year and more independent, leaning toward aloof.
From the AKC site:
There is no age limit for the CGC test. A dog is never too old to be a good citizen. Puppies who have completed all immunizations and boosters may be tested, however, because we know that behavior and temperament can change when puppies pass the CGC test, owners should have them re-tested as adults.
11-29-2012 06:16 PM
Marc
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Originally Posted by Killian10 View Post
I wouldn't mind if she came to my house to train Murphy and brought a distraction but instead of the training session being focuses on us it was being shared.
Again, that is something I didnt realise from your posts. this is pretty poor and very unproffesional, I agree that if you paid for the one on one lessons, you should have gotten them, the trainer should not be putting you together for a "Busy Schedule", I cant say to my boss, "I have a busy schedule, I can only do 3 days of work this week rather than 5" I would get sacked! I hope you only paid half price for those 2 lessons.

It seems to me you need to find a better trainer, she doesnt seem suited to you.

@ Freestep,

All dogs and owners are different, my Maya is only 3 months old, but I know for a fact, if she was to take the test now, she would not be able to do;

Allow basic grooming procedures
Sitting and lying down on command and staying in place.
Coming when called.
Reacting appropriately to another dog.
Reacting appropriately to distractions.
Calmly enduring supervised separation from the owner

Ofcourse, im sure she will eventually get to this stage, and I dont know what training the OP's dog had before she hired the trainer, but it sounded like little to non, and I think going from no training to cgc in 6 weeks would be asking a lot.... maybe im wrong, Maya is my first dog so im no expert dog trainer lol
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