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11-25-2012 07:30 PM
bethany.cole2013
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Originally Posted by Freestep View Post
Bethany, you might want to consider joining the Facebook group

German Shepherd Dog Breeders


484 members
  • This is a group for responsible German Shepherd Dog owners and breeders. This is a place for good breeders to discuss t...he breed, as well as having the opportunity to network and help each other.


  • It is also a group where people can come to learn about responsible breeding and what the breed is all about. If you are interested in becoming a GSD breeder, ask questions, listen and learn from other breeders here.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/100827050053129/
I would join it if I had a facebook, but I fortunately (or maybe unfortunately) don't have Facebook. I'm close enough with my closest friends that I don't see any need in it lol.
11-25-2012 07:05 PM
Freestep Bethany, you might want to consider joining the Facebook group

German Shepherd Dog Breeders


484 members
  • This is a group for responsible German Shepherd Dog owners and breeders. This is a place for good breeders to discuss t...he breed, as well as having the opportunity to network and help each other.


  • It is also a group where people can come to learn about responsible breeding and what the breed is all about. If you are interested in becoming a GSD breeder, ask questions, listen and learn from other breeders here.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/100827050053129/
11-25-2012 04:05 PM
bethany.cole2013
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I am just the conduit --- the magazines are actually from Linda Shaw -- - . I am wondering if Bethany as we participate in her education, would play it forward and participate in the education of others on this forum. How can you do this. I can flip through some of the older issues and mark them with a book mark. Then if Bethany can scan them so that the pictures of these dogs from days gone by can be shared on the forum. There were some awesome dogs .
Most definitely! I wouldn't mind at all scanning the ones that you have bookmarked and posting them here for everyone to possibly learn from. I'm not greedy =) I'll share the knowledge that is also extended to me.
11-25-2012 04:01 PM
carmspack I am just the conduit --- the magazines are actually from Linda Shaw -- - . I am wondering if Bethany as we participate in her education, would play it forward and participate in the education of others on this forum. How can you do this. I can flip through some of the older issues and mark them with a book mark. Then if Bethany can scan them so that the pictures of these dogs from days gone by can be shared on the forum. There were some awesome dogs .
11-25-2012 02:36 PM
bethany.cole2013
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I'm a little jealous. But I don't want to be a breeder, so this reading material will be best put into the hands of someone who wants to be.

You are incredibly lucky to have had Carmen step up to help you, I can't think of a better person to be in contact with for the purpose of learning about GSDs and their history. Soak it up!

I do consider myself extremely blessed to have a person as nice as Carmen willing to help me on my learning journey. I guess it's a good thing that I have a good size bookshelf to put them on =)
11-25-2012 02:12 PM
Freestep
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Oh I'm going to love this. I love reading and looking at things from the past anyway, so it's going to be especially exciting to be able to see dogs of my favorite breed from the past and read reviews on them. I really can't wait to see these. Thank you, Carmen for doing this. It's really nice of you!
I'm a little jealous. But I don't want to be a breeder, so this reading material will be best put into the hands of someone who wants to be.

You are incredibly lucky to have had Carmen step up to help you, I can't think of a better person to be in contact with for the purpose of learning about GSDs and their history. Soak it up!
11-25-2012 11:51 AM
jocoyn In regard to the DM comment. There is still some controversy as to whether the DM test for the "ALS" version of the gene is hitting the right target, particularly since some dogs have been diagnosed on necropsy (the only definiitive diagnosis) as HAVING DM in spite of the fact they are either normal or carriers. A different reseracher (Clemmons U of F) felt this was an MS variant not an ALS variant
11-25-2012 11:11 AM
bethany.cole2013
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Originally Posted by carmspack View Post
extra copies --? wait till you see the boxes of magazines that you are getting !!! So I had a lot of fun at Linda's this afternoon going through some of the oldest issues going back to 1970 . I swear , page after page , we were both holding up pictures - oh look at this one ! -- . What dogs they were . Mind you these are German Shepherd Dog Reviews which is the monthly publication for the German Shepherd Dog Club of America . Those dogs that we looked at in the 1970's issues would be desireable and relevant today when judged against an international standard. They almost had a DDR essence about them. Good bone , good balanced structure - exaggerations not yet . Any one breeding the "american" type should have a look - back to the future , maybe? I picked a few hoping that they will be scanned (when time allows).
OR maybe I will flip through a few of the older issues going to Bethany and she could be so nice as to scan them.

The problem with modern show line GSD's , both "american" and "german" is that they no longer have a period of suspension . See how many pictures you can find , dog in motion, with three legs on the ground !
Oh I'm going to love this. I love reading and looking at things from the past anyway, so it's going to be especially exciting to be able to see dogs of my favorite breed from the past and read reviews on them. I really can't wait to see these. Thank you, Carmen for doing this. It's really nice of you!
11-25-2012 03:02 AM
carmspack extra copies --? wait till you see the boxes of magazines that you are getting !!! So I had a lot of fun at Linda's this afternoon going through some of the oldest issues going back to 1970 . I swear , page after page , we were both holding up pictures - oh look at this one ! -- . What dogs they were . Mind you these are German Shepherd Dog Reviews which is the monthly publication for the German Shepherd Dog Club of America . Those dogs that we looked at in the 1970's issues would be desireable and relevant today when judged against an international standard. They almost had a DDR essence about them. Good bone , good balanced structure - exaggerations not yet . Any one breeding the "american" type should have a look - back to the future , maybe? I picked a few hoping that they will be scanned (when time allows).
OR maybe I will flip through a few of the older issues going to Bethany and she could be so nice as to scan them.

The problem with modern show line GSD's , both "american" and "german" is that they no longer have a period of suspension . See how many pictures you can find , dog in motion, with three legs on the ground !
11-24-2012 11:55 PM
bethany.cole2013 I knew they weren't prized colors, I was merely being sarcastic. I've read AKC's standard enough to know that it's common knowledge the colors that she is breeding are considered faults. I guess that's why she only shows in UKC conformation. The entire thing of her breeding the DM carriers are what sent red flags off in my head. This breeder does offer pet prices or show/breeding prices on the pups she does produce and I'm wondering if this is just a way to sell the puppies easier to people that don't know any better or if this is actually a well thought out practice. I didn't see a link on her website talking about a puppy questionairre or anything either. Her prices are high especially now knowing that she breeds DM carriers together AND she's breeding for faulty colors and has to show in UKC because of that. I'm working with Carmen and she is going to be sending me her extra copies of the GSD Review magazines for me to look at and learn from. I would love to see any kind of link with some terminology in it to watch out for and how to clearly distinguish a BYB from a reputable breeder by their websites.
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