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11-17-2012 10:28 PM
qbchottu Just personally, I would not do co-ownerships. They seldom tend to favor the non-show/sport puppy buyer. If you do not intend to show or do not know enough about showing, do not bother getting a show quality pup. There will be a premium in price and you might have to give the breeder part ownership and/or breeding rights. If you wish to get a show pup and show competitively, I would not go with white dogs. There are better dogs for show.

The breeder will usually evaluate and grade the dogs at 7-8 weeks. For show, we look at movement, structure, temperament etc. Most breeders will pick pups based on the desired traits for whatever sport or show venue they participate in. A lot of times, it is a guessing game. You keep a puppy, wait till 1 year or so, see how it develops, if it has the right qualities, you keep it, finish it and then enter it into your breeding program. More often than out, they will wash out. If they wash out, they will be homed accordingly (pet, sport, whatever).

I do not understand why you want a show quality pup when you do not intend to show. Get one of the other males free and clear. Enjoy it as a companion.
11-17-2012 10:26 PM
doggiedad why do you have to be serious about showing if you
have a show dog? show dogs make great pets.

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Pretty much, the only difference between a pet quality dog and a show quality dog is physical conformation.

Usually the price difference (from what I've noticed anyway) can range from $200 - $500+ extra for show quality.

>>>> Considering you mainly want a pet, I'd say not to go for the show dog unless you're serious about going out and showing him. <<<<

And showing dogs isn't just trotting around the ring. More often than not (for UKC shows, anyway) owners hire experienced handlers to show their dog for them. And a good handler isn't cheap.
I know there's a lot more expenses to dog showing than just hiring a handler and entry fees, but I'm not entirely familiar with conformation, so I'm not sure what else all comes into play, as far as the financial burden of showing goes.

Unless you're very open to the idea of breeding him later ('very open' meaning he'll be bred, as long as he gets his titles, passes his health checks, etc.), don't get the show pup. (Unless the breeder is willing to let him go to a pet home).

Do you know if the breeder is offering a co-ownership with him or not?

ETA: Behavioral issues stem from lack of training, not hormones.
My little man is two, intact, and is pretty much perfect.
My mom's neutered five year old pees on everything, doesn't get along with (most) other males, etc.
11-17-2012 10:03 PM
Billn1959 What does a breeder see in a show dog vs a non show dog. They are experienced in both breeding and showing and have many awards. Is it more physical characteristics?
11-17-2012 09:24 PM
Liesje I don't really see a problem. My breeder talked me into showing my dog and now I've shown him quite a bit (UKC and SV type shows, and we did AKC matches when he was a puppy). I actually show him myself now. I don't do it a lot because it can be expensive but UKC shows are pretty fun for me.
11-17-2012 09:21 PM
Billn1959 I'm waiting a reply with many of the questions I have. I understand that they would show at no cost to me. Having experience handlers working with my boy seems like it could be positive for him. Of course, I plan on going through puppy class and beyond with him. Either way, I will be getting bringing home a puppy this Thursday. Of the 7 boys, another one of them may just be the one.
I appreciate all your comments. Thanks
11-17-2012 08:47 PM
onyx'girl That and the fact that if he excels they may want to use him as stud as he would really be an asset to their breeding program. That could mean he would be tied up in being a stud dog...unless you aren't on board with all of it, better to just let them keep the show dog and you get a pet/companion with no ties to the breeder.
I would assume the breeder would pay for everything show related~as well as vetting/grooming and whatever needed to show him.
11-17-2012 08:44 PM
Elaine
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The Breeders themselves would show them. They show a lot of their dogs. I would not do co-ownership and would definitely want an out.
What would you get out of this? I could understand if you were involved and having fun with it, but you would be shipping your dog to be shown to the breeders. You say it's not a co-ownership so who's going to pay for it?
11-17-2012 08:34 PM
Billn1959 The Breeders themselves would show them. They show a lot of their dogs. I would not do co-ownership and would definitely want an out.
11-17-2012 08:28 PM
Konotashi
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Originally Posted by Whiteshepherds View Post
Professional handlers aren't allowed in the UKC.

To the OP-Did the breeder say if you changed your mind before the 3 years was up that you'd be able to have the dog neutered sooner or will they have the final say?
I didn't know that! (See, I told you I wan't as 'knowledgeable' in the show ring area!) Haha.

BUT, point still stands. Showing can be expensive. It can be a complete pain and hassle if you don't plan on breeding him.

And I would assume he'd have ample opportunity to show in WGSDCA (White German Shepherd Dog Club of America) events and in UKC....
11-17-2012 08:23 PM
Whiteshepherds
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Considering you mainly want a pet, I'd say not to go for the show dog More often than not (for UKC shows, anyway) owners hire experienced handlers to show their dog for them. And a good handler isn't cheap.
Professional handlers aren't allowed in the UKC.

To the OP-Did the breeder say if you changed your mind before the 3 years was up that you'd be able to have the dog neutered sooner or will they have the final say?
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