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|11-19-2012 03:43 PM|
I really do like the female's pedigree--and it was an interesting exercise to think about what I would look for in a stud dog on paper--and then, of course, you have to make sure the stud dog matches the female in front of you in terms of being a complementary match as far as temperament, health, drives, and conformation.
|11-17-2012 10:50 PM|
|11-17-2012 03:46 PM|
The sire--I wouldn't want to add any more Timmy/Troll) or Mink or even Orry. I'd also want to try to avoid adding more Fado(Harro). So, with that said, I've just eliminated almost all of the top sport names.
Look at his linebreeding and the backmassing:
8,6,6 - 7,8,8,7 Greif zum Lahntal
7 - 6,7,7,8,6..................................... in Afra vom Stoppenberger Land
8,8 - 8,8......................................... in V Racker vom Itztal
So where are you going to go with this breeding? It's either go back to more of the same or look hard for new lines--Czech (the ones that haven't been bred to Tom or Yoschy bloodlines), or some of the lesser known German working lines -- maybe Vox vd Kine (which still brings in Troll) or Sid vh Pixner (brings in Mink) or a dog like Ike v Donauvorstadt (who still goes back to Mink) who brings in some major non-Fero bloodlines as well as old herding bloodlines.
Or you find a counterbalancing dog with similar bloodlines--which can be hard to do and may not work. Or you breed back to a similar dog from similar bloodlines and get some great dogs, some odd ones, some outliers.
It weird, the more pedigrees you study, the more you realize how little diversity there is within a breed (by definition--that's what a dog breed is)--particularly within the subpools within the breed.
I really like the female's pedigree, but she's heavily back-massed on Grief, who was known for his sharpness:
She's also only got one line back to Fero, so that opens up a lot of the Fero bloodlines--but I'd prefer to avoid going back to any more Yoschy/Troll, and I'd avoid Troll Koerbelbach and no more Verwin to increase diversity and avoid quadrupling up on those traits she's already really strong in.
|11-17-2012 12:49 PM|
|Freestep||Just curious, what type of breeding would the pedigree gurus suggest with either of these dogs, to balance the drive and solidify the nerve?|
|11-17-2012 10:53 AM|
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|11-17-2012 10:30 AM|
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|11-17-2012 09:59 AM|
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|11-17-2012 08:59 AM|
|cliffson1||More drive than I would like to see.......those lines are starting to bottleneck. Where would you breed the offspring of this breeding? Most out crosses would have problems absorbing the drive base o these pups. Just an observation.|
|11-17-2012 06:11 AM|
|björn||Como rurdam have had plenty offspring here in sweden were he was located, supposedly a very strong dog and seems to have produced above average if looking at his offspring in mentaltests and the ones I have seen in sport.|
|11-16-2012 03:58 PM|
I agree with the others, definitely this would be a combination completely lacking in balance and geared toward extreme dogs with iffy nerve strength.
As for being great for sport... maybe, maybe not. Plenty of drive for it and a bit of an "edge" to add flash and the appearance of seriousness in protection (though IMO not the correct kind of seriousness a GSD should have), but control could be a huge issue due to drive overloading the nerve strength in this pairing.
Some nice individual dogs in the pedigrees who can bring some very good things if bred right and matched well with other bloodlines to achieve balance. This particular pairing would not be one of those.
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