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12-27-2012 10:07 PM
SFGSSD This company has been questioned by professional trainers and has been brought up in a professional trainer group recently. A friend of a professional trainer was asked to seek advice and opinions from professional trainers in regards to their business practices and training methods including a review of the contract. When I reviewed the contract and their training methods, I was in shock. In short, a family receives an untrained puppy and a total 180 hours of training from random trainers the company contracts out.
While Diabetic Alert Dogs (also known as DAD) can in fact be trained to scent detect low/high blood sugar levels, there are companies that make promises they cannot keep.
Training a Service Dog properly requires over 2000 hours of training for the dog and over 200 hours of training for the handler. Selling an untrained pup and immediately placing it in the home of the disabled individual full time with a 180 hour training voucher where a trainer visits once every 3 months for two days is just insane!
I have an owner training program, the dogs are first thoroughly evaluated as well as the owners, and then they spend 2 hours with me 2x a week progressing to GCG, Task training, PAT, night training, then SD certification of all tasks performing at a minimal of 90% proficiency during the day and minimum of 80% proficiency at night. Attempting this with just a few hours of professional training with the client every three months is just asking for trouble on multiple levels.
I pray the Federal Government will eventually step in and require a Federal License to operate any kind of assistance/service dog business … non-profit or not!
10-13-2012 03:48 AM
ILGHAUS Specially trained puppy is a lifesaver for Houston boy with diabetes

"I am very relieved of Prixsee’s arrival because now at night I don’t have to worry as often of Wesley’s blood sugar dropping in the middle of the night and me not being able to catch it," said his mother, Amber Herrin.

Specially trained puppy is a lifesaver for Houston boy with diabetes | khou.com Houston
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Family: service dog for diabetic child fails at job


"Back in March, little Wesley Webb was thrilled to get his black lab puppy to be a diabetes alert service dog. His family named the $20,000 dog Prixsee because they said she would prevent Wesley from needing so many finger pricks to test his blood sugar. The dog came from Warren Retrievers’ Guardian Angel Service Dogs facility in Virginia."

Family: Service dog for diabetic child fails at job | khou.com Houston
07-21-2012 10:02 AM
ladylaw203 All about the $$$$$$$$$$
07-20-2012 03:54 PM
Chicagocanine
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Originally Posted by ILGHAUS View Post
Toyota is giving 100 cars over 100 days to nonprofits that could really use a new set of wheels.
Why do I doubt that an organization that is making $20,000 per puppy is really in need of a free car?
07-19-2012 10:48 PM
ladylaw203 This is occurring in my county. I wanted to warn them but sometimes when folk have their hopes so high,they cannot hear...........
07-19-2012 10:38 PM
ILGHAUS In the same article quoted above are also these statements ...

"Dr. Larry Myers, a canine scent expert and professor at the University of Auburn, has more than 30 years of experience studying dogs’ scent detection abilities and is skeptical of dogs being able to sense changes in a person’s blood sugar — period."

"Myers said there’s plenty of ways to train a dog, and he’s even seen a situation in Missouri where a company, Heaven Scent Paws, was involved in a similar dispute over fundraising and training, or lack thereof. The company ultimately went bankrupt after it was ordered to pay $200,000 back when the Missouri Attorney General filed charges against the company for essentially scamming customers with dogs that couldn’t alert."

http://www.theexaminer.com/stories/n...er-far-angelic
07-19-2012 10:30 PM
ILGHAUS Guardian Angel owner far from angelic
Submitted by Fred Davis on July 19, 2012

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Dan Warren, president of both Warren Enterprises LLC and Guardian Angel Service Dogs, did not respond to several messages left for him regarding information that he was found guilty on seven charges of “uttering” and seven charges of “false statement to obtain credit. Warren, whose name is actually Charles Daniel Warren Jr., was sentenced to 35 years in prison on the uttering charges and 84 months in jail on the false statement charges in the Chesterfield County Circuit Court on April 17, 2008.

Guardian Angel owner far from angelic | The Examiner
07-19-2012 10:28 PM
ILGHAUS Warren Retrievers was one of the winners of 100 cars given away.
Remember, Dan Warren is the president of Warren Enterprises LLC and Guardian Angels Service Dogs Inc.

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Toyota is giving 100 cars over 100 days to nonprofits that could really use a new set of wheels. And voters like you help decide which one gets a new ride every day.

https://apps.facebook.com/carsforgood/
07-14-2012 05:51 AM
Chicagocanine I read some articles and things about this company, and I am surprised how many families seem to be getting dogs from them. $20,000 for a 7-12 week old puppy that the family them must train themselves? I can't believe this company is even around let alone that they are operating as a non-profit... Where is all this money going? I can't see any way it could be all going into the training of these puppies since they barely have them for a few weeks.
Then there is no guarantee a puppy will make it to being a service dog, even the organizations that have been breeding dogs for service dog work for many years have many dogs that do not make it as service dogs.

According to the comments on that article, this company is claiming to place HUNDREDS of these dogs/puppies per year, which is even scarier.
07-13-2012 06:40 PM
ladylaw203 People that do not know anything about dog training believe. I have helped folks before that were promised the most outlandish things. Tasks that any of we dog savvy folks would have laughed for days about. Plus when one WANTS so desperately to believe it makes it easier. Folks should do more research
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