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02-26-2014 10:56 AM
Maximilian SpookyShepherd,

I grew up speaking German and have worked professional jobs and lived in the US and Germany.

Resorting to the dictionary to sort this out won't give you the best answer. You want to express that your kennel is from Hawkhurst. The dictionary will give you von and aus as translations for from. You need to understand where to use each. If you're telling me where you live, or where you were originally from, you would use aus. For example, to say you come from Hawkhurst you would write "Ich komme aus Hawkhurst." However, in the title of a kennel you want to tell me where it is located so you use von.

To figure out whether you say von or vom you will need to know the gramatical gender of the noun it refers to. There is no rule in German that governs this although there are many patterns. Generally, nouns that refer to females are given the feminine gender die (for example die Frau). However, there are exceptions (for example, das Weib). If you study German you will simply need to remember the genders. For nouns that fall outside of the patterns you will not be able to guess, there simply is no rule for this in German. There isn't even a rule that governs the patterns, they are simply patterns.

However, you're luck in this case. You want to use a foreign word and in German most (but not all!) foreign words use the neuter gender das. Initially in German your kennel would be called "von dem Hawkhurst." However, German contracts von and dem to form vom. Therefore, the correct name of your kennel would be "vom Hawkhurst."

Hope this helps.
02-13-2014 04:50 PM
BoTaBe
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Originally Posted by SpookyShepherd View Post
It's a while still before breeding, but we're wanting to use Hawkhurst as the kennel name. Would that be a von or vom? I'm still rather turned around on what's correct... but would prefer to be accurate.

As a side note, Hawkhurst is the ancestral home of the landed "Maynard" family in Kent, England.
If it's supposed to be grammatically correct it'd have to be "aus Hawkkhurst" (if it refers to the village i just googled because I've never heard of it before ).
02-13-2014 03:26 PM
Liesje If it's not a German word, I'm not sure. "vom" would be my guess just based on how it sounds/feels to say, or maybe go by whatever gender is assigned to the German word for "hurst" (if there is one?).
02-13-2014 10:25 AM
SpookyShepherd It's a while still before breeding, but we're wanting to use Hawkhurst as the kennel name. Would that be a von or vom? I'm still rather turned around on what's correct... but would prefer to be accurate.

As a side note, Hawkhurst is the ancestral home of the landed "Maynard" family in Kent, England.
02-07-2014 03:31 PM
hunterisgreat
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Originally Posted by Wolfen View Post
I see males and females using vom, so I don't think it's gender-specific.
gender of the kennel not the dog
02-07-2014 03:30 PM
BoTaBe
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Originally Posted by jocoyn View Post
So is Beau von den alten bergen correct? {basically Beau of the old mountains I think, from west virginny}
Yes, the form is correct! Only thing would be that "Bergen" hast to be spelled with a capital "B" (noun).
--> Beau von den alten Bergen would be the correct name!
01-28-2014 10:05 PM
Liesje German plurals use the feminine form and it's dative plural, so it's probably correct....it's been a while!
01-28-2014 08:37 PM
jocoyn So is Beau von den alten bergen correct? {basically Beau of the old mountains I think, from west virginny}
01-28-2014 08:19 PM
Liesje I don't think it matters b/c Willowglen are not German words. You could use the gender of the German word for "glen". Also I don't think it's poor form, I give my rescue dogs "full" names too The name "Otto" has likely been used dozens of times so the AKC would just attach your last name or a number, so you might as well think of something cute.
01-28-2014 06:57 PM
willoglen
Help naming my puppy

Just found and read this entire thread, and now I have a question.

First, the background. My GSD was found abandoned in the woods with his dam and 9 littermates. [They could be mixes, of course, but the dam appears purebred as do all 10 puppies (they are 8 months old now), but I digress....] The DNA test on my puppy indicates purebred.

I will be applying for an ILP number from AKC for him so that I can show him in obedience and tracking.

I was planning on naming him "Otto von Willoglen," Willoglen being a combination of my parents' names and the kennel name that I used when breeding and showing Shelties.

Will this be considered poor form? I don't want to offend any purists as I plan on getting a 2nd GSD from a reputable breeder in a few years. (I am still researching, but I am very attracted to photos of Esko vom Klammeck at Truehaus...again, digressing....) I would like to get involved in working titles at some point.

Thanks for your help! Suggestions will be appreciated!
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