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05-17-2015 06:41 PM
breannakristine would von or vom be correct for the following:

von/vom Valinor
02-19-2015 12:36 PM
martemchik The name of the dog doesn't really matter as long as you have a pedigree. So you don't need the other breeders name on your dog. The breeder will tell you if they want you to use the kennel name or if they don't care.

The line is traced with the pedigree and not always with the kennel name or the current dog's name.

For example...my dog is vom X, if I breed her, I will be able to put my kennel name on the puppies, there doesn't have to be any reference to vom X. The way people figure out what lines the puppies come from, is to look at their pedigrees.
02-19-2015 12:27 PM
IndianRose
Curious

at some point in my life, I'm hoping to start my own breeding kennel. I've been doing lots of research, etc. It's not my first paper route, however, I won't breed unless I make sure all necessary lines, temperaments, etc are as perfect as I can get.
All that being said, I'm wondering if I got my girl's name correct. I was attempting to honor both parents lines, in her case. I'll be getting a pup in the fall, his dam is from one of the same lines as my girl, his sire is from completely different line. I haven't yet picked out a name for him.....Breeder of both my pups has given me carte blanche on the names.

My female is Storm Front's Gräfin Dita von Strait - call name Dita. Is this correct?
Storm Front is a direct ancestor, Gräfin in keeping with the name theme back in her line (king, princess, queen, etc), Dita an ancestor of her sire's line. Strait is my last name.

I want to use the name Strongheart in my males name somehow, as he (and my girl btw) are direct descendants of that amazing dog and I wish to honor him (Etzel von Oeringen). Is this ok? I don't want to insult, upset, or be considered in bad form in any sense, but I so want to honor their ancestors as well. Granted, I know that it's up to me to make sure that my pups do them proud

I think this thread has helped in such that I understand about naming the initial dogs, potential sire & dam, and I'll be able to attach my kennel name (which I haven't decided on yet) to the pups I breed. Am I correct in my understanding this?
Oh goodness - I am sorry for the long, confusing post, but hopefully someone will understand what I'm getting at. LOL
11-03-2014 12:49 PM
Girl_Loves_Hydraulics LMAO my german grandma is going to have a field day when I tell her my dog's name then...I "think" I got it right, but totally by accident. Since Lena was an accidental litter, she did not have a kennel name so she is now Von Mozart's Lena. My mother was a music major and Mozart is one of her favorite composers (and mine also). Oh well, she is just Lena Bean to me! lol
07-18-2014 06:49 PM
Ute [QUOTE=wolfstraum
I have now had several native speaking Germans tell me I should have used "vom" and others said "von" is right....[/QUOTE]

What a great name! Your informants' native speaker intuition was right on both counts because both options are the same and only differ in terms of whether a contraction is used (just like you can say is not OR isn't)
- von is right because it's "von dem Wolfstraum" [der Traum, masc noun changes to dem]
- vom is right because it's simply the contracted form of "Von dem Wolfstraum" [von+dem = vom]

The simple truth is there is just ONE "V" word and it is VON!
But it comes along in various combinations:
- von - by itself, e.g. with just a family name (no article)
- von + dem (= vom) as the contracted version with masculine nouns (i.e. 'von' is still hidden in there).
- von der / von den (where you can't contract with feminine or plural nouns following, otherwise you'd get von+der=*vonr or von+den = *vonn - which would be a bit like I am not = I amn't, )

In answer to Nasq's question therefore:

1) Kennel VOM/VON HAUS NASGUEWEITZ > Vom = von dem Haus

2) Kennel VOM/VON NASGUEWEITZ > Von = e.g. if Nasgueweitz is a family name

Clear as mud, isn't it?

Ute
07-18-2014 01:58 PM
wolfstraum I think this is as complicated as English!!!! My kennel name was done by a veterinarian friend from Germany....native speaker...we were going for an idea that followed suite of my horses names (Sheer Fantasy and Heir of Dreams - mother and daughter)....and wanted to incorporate "Wolf"....Fantasy was way too unwieldy, so we went with Dream...

I have now had several native speaking Germans tell me I should have used "vom" and others said "von" is right....

Lee
07-18-2014 12:20 PM
gre0481 Not too long ago I purchased an AKC/UKC American Eskimo Dog from Amar's Kennels.

Here's how we worked it out. The breeder required us to begin with Amar's.

The Sire is Amar's Dangerous Dan, The Dam SR Touching Fame. (or Touching Flame via AKC)

We named Kizzy , Amar's Dangerous Flame to honor her parents, and kennel.

In regards to your own kennel name. If you do have a full registration, and have a litter of pups that are either UKC or AKC, or Both (Or CKC, ETC) Then you would begin your own kennel.

In regards to being a registered breeder, breeder of merit, or other titles given by different clubs, that varys.

My breeder would only allow me full registration if I agreed to show my dog. Others offer limited (Like I'm working with now), for two years, and offer to switch to full if you meet the requirements of genetic screening for various defects. This breeder is concerned for the well being of the breed. No full registration if they do not meet health requirements.

I hope this comes in handy. I've been researching. Would like to breed eventually.

I currently have a 3 mos old GSD, but due to the breeder having complications getting the sire's papers; she will not be a breeding candidate.
07-16-2014 04:25 AM
Nasg Hi

I´ve read the entire thread, but my doubt persists

If I want to name my Kennel with my lastname

What would be right to use, von or vom?

1) Kennel VOM/VON HAUS NASGUEWEITZ

2) Kennel VOM/VON NASGUEWEITZ

in the two cases above, what should I use? VOM or VON?

I hope you guys can help me with this

Thanks a lot
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04-28-2014 12:16 PM
Maeuselchen Hasenherz @SpookyShepherd: Sorry that din't answer your question at all.

since Hawkhurst is a given name it would be "Von Hawkhurst" if you want to translate it could be something like "Vom Habichtswäldchen"...the original hawkhurst sounds much more badass though.
04-28-2014 08:55 AM
Maeuselchen Hasenherz I'm not a liguist, but I'm a native speaker and this is how I would use it so that it doesn't sound „wrong“ in my ears.


„Vom“ is actually a combined word of „Von“ an the dativ article „dem“ for masculine or neutrum Nouns, so it means „of the“.
The question to ask to get the Dativ object in a sentence would be „wem“ or in old english „whom“.
„Wem gehört dieser Hund?“- „Das ist der Hund von dem Gärtner.“
„To whom does this dog belong?“ -“That's the dog of the Gardener.“
„Von wem stammt dieser Hund ab?“ -“Von dem Rüden da drüben.“
„whom does it come of?“ -“Of the male dog over there.“
the feminine form would be „Von der“ like the medieval poet Walther von der Vogelweide.


„Vom“ is also always specific while „von“ alone can als be inspecific.
„der Hund von dem Mädchen“ (The dog of that girl) is specific, while
„Der Hund von jemandem.“ „the dog of somebody“ doesn't tell us anything about the owner of the dogs except that he or she is owning a dog.


And then there is this thing with the given names. If the is a name after it, it is always von and not „vom“ or „von der“.
So it is „Von Schmied“ if the breeder's name is Schmied but it is „vom Schmied“ if the breeder's profession is being a smith.
That's why in kennel names „Von Waldhof“ (of Forest Farm) is right because it is the name of the farm where they breed as well as „Vom Waldhof“ (of the forest farm) hen the farm the kennel is located is actually in a forest.



*according to my dictionary "hurst" is a little forest. so it would be "Hag", "wald"/"Wäldchen" (little forest) or "Forst".
how ever i think that the "hurst" looks a lot like a "Horst" which is the nest of a bird of prey. and a Hawk/habicht is such bird, so that would fit to.
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