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Yesterday 03:06 PM
Kayos and Havoc You can also look at vom Haus Vianden in Idaho. She has TRex's sire, actually frozen semen as he just recenly passed away.
Yesterday 03:00 PM
Kayos and Havoc T-Rex vom Kriegerhaus PT CD RA

T Rex now has his OTCH.
09-05-2014 10:21 PM
Jax08 My breeder ships puppies. Jody Potter in NYS. I highly recommend her.
09-05-2014 10:10 PM
Haven Selzer: I followed the link. What a contentious thread!

Bottom line, if we need to travel to pick up the puppy, we will. Call me a crazy Calfornian, but our animal companions are precious to us. We have and would again borrow money if necessary to have a GSD's hip replaced. And, it seems to me, that if we have to spend more money to get a great puppy, we'll have to spend less money down the road.
09-05-2014 09:49 PM
selzer
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Selzer: I'm almost afraid to ask, what the heck does the Department Of Agriculture have to do it?!!!

There is a new rule passed within the last year, that people who ship even one puppy/dog to an owner, they fall under USDA control. And if you sell a dog not born and raised on your property, you fall under the USDA. I think that what we are going to see is even more pronounced differences in the breed due to their region. But that is not what this thread is about, so I will try to find a link to the other thread.

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...es-buyers.html
09-05-2014 09:40 PM
Haven Selzer: I'm almost afraid to ask, what the heck does the Department Of Agriculture have to do it?!!!
09-05-2014 09:34 PM
selzer
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All that said, if none of the puppies work for us, we'll consider shipping. Carmspack has a breeder she trusts in Oregon, and a couple of members have recommended Alder-Stein in Los Angeles. Question: If we need to ship, does it open up the entire U.S.? Is there some limit on how long a puppy should fly?
Yes, and no. Because of the new legislation, many good breeders are choosing not to ship puppies so that they do not fall under the USDA guidelines. It's hard to wait, but, waiting could get you the dog you want.
09-05-2014 09:12 PM
Haven Guardyn: What a great site and immediately useful. The Volhard website even provides a downloadable PDF that we can take with us.

Several people recommended Julia Priest, but she doesn't have any dogs available, and her waiting list is approximately a year long; however, Julia did recommend Deleta Jones (the breeder whose puppies were going to see) and Steve Strom also recommends Deleta and calls her trustworthy; moreover, as several members have recommended, Deleta trains and competes with her own dogs. Lhczth, extremely kindly, reviewed the pedigrees of the puppies and found no significant flaws (although I know that's no guarantee) (nevertheless, Lhczth's understanding of pedigrees blew me away!) As such, I feel pretty good about Deleta.

All that said, if none of the puppies work for us, we'll consider shipping. Carmspack has a breeder she trusts in Oregon, and a couple of members have recommended Alder-Stein in Los Angeles. Question: If we need to ship, does it open up the entire U.S.? Is there some limit on how long a puppy should fly?

I'm very confident that if we go that route members will be able to point me to a great breeder with great puppies. It would almost be fun to see if members could narrow it down to two or three breeders back East. I just wish there were as many breeders to choose from out West.

Carmspack: I didn't do a good job of explaining because I did think of "nit picking" the way you explained, and, naturally, I agree with you completely.

Thanks again everyone!
09-05-2014 12:17 PM
carmspack your comment re "Lhczth: Boy are you ever right about the "nit picking!" And, I doubt the AKC Obedience Trials have gotten less so in the nearly 30 years we been away. Nevertheless, I do realize that training a GSD to get an IPO is a serious commitment, but I bet the fun we had being around other dog handlers won't have changed either"

The nit picking is not the politics or competitiveness among the handlers trialing. My experience is that the obedience crowd is much more supportive .

I believe the nit picking Lisa was talking about is that you need a certain type of dog that has a lot of willingness because to keep those points you are going to be demanding on the dog --- AND -- the exercises can be a bit static and nit-picky without the dog having anything to look forward which will discharge tension or get a reward , like the bite , or the dynamic running , or barking .
The dog is under a lot of control .
Yet , animated performance is definitely looked for.
Nothing worse than a dog which looks like it is heading for the gallows . Or just stopping .
09-05-2014 11:56 AM
Guardyan I think the Barwig text will be helpful for you, as it includes several simple tests for evaluating temperament. You might also consider reading about the Volhard temperament test (Volhard Dog Training and Nutrition: Behavior and Training: Behavior ). Of course the breeder should be the most helpful resource for you. Hopefully they have spent the previous weeks observing the pups, carefully considering their temperaments and physical characteristics. The best way for you to help a breeder match you correctly with a pup is to know what you are looking for in a dog, as well as to communicate that clearly with the breeder. What are your goals? What specific traits are you looking for? (e.g. what energy level are you comfortable with) The breeder can then help you make an informed decision as to which puppy is right for you.

IMHO, confidence, stability, and retrieving instincts are what I would be looking for in a litter unknown to me. Does that puppy confidently walk into a new area - exploring and curious with an upright, relaxed posture? Does he exhibit a fearful reaction toward novel stimuli (e.g. umbrella) or does he jump right in? Does he retrieve a crumpled ball of paper or does the little stinker run off with it? Fwiw, temperament tests are really just a snapshot and a responsible breeder should be able to steer you toward the most suitable prospect.

Just want to say I think it's awesome that you are doing your homework prior to purchasing a puppy and that you are planning on getting involved in training. German Shepherds are so intelligent and the training process truly enriches their lives (and ours).
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