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09-29-2014 12:33 PM
Haven Martemchik & Lhczth: What fantastic posts!

Anyone new to Schutzhund trials (like myself) should read the following two posts to gain insight into the U.S. Schutzhund culture. In particular, why there are club trials and how they are run, and why there are Regional and National trials and where they are conducted.

On a personal note, although I wasn't able to attend the Northwest Regional Trials due to catching the flu the day before, it certainly explains why the organizers moved the starting time to the bleary eye-ed pre-dawn time of 6:00 am. They were PROTECTING THE DOGS from the expected heat (and also the smoke from a nearby huge California fire.)
09-29-2014 10:00 AM
martemchik The reason you go to nationals is that due to the "sliding scoring" system...a 290+ at nationals means A LOT more than a 290+ at a club trial. It gets your dog out there, your dog is noticed by the people at the top of the sport. If you are a breeder or a stud dog owner, demand for your dogs will increase. You'll get requests from all over the United States and that's the way we keep the genetics of our breed at least some what changing.

Too many breeders use local stock. Some get lucky and have someone in their region import a dog, or buy a dog from a breeder across the country that turns into a good stud dog...then they can get something different into their lines. But all in all, a lot stay local. Which isn't the best for our breed. National and world events give people and dogs a stage to impress a lot of people from many different areas of the country.

You also want to hold trials in temperate climates. Dogs and handlers get tired really quick in 80+ degree weather. So they like to hold national events in areas where you'll get moderate temperature. don't have to compete with tourism for hotel rooms...which brings costs down a lot for the competitors. I'm looking at going to nationals and my hotel will cost me less than $50 a night (possibly less due to connections). Imagine what I'd have to pay in a large city like Miami or New Orleans. I probably wouldn't go just to watch. And the goal of the host club should be to get as many people there as possible to buy stuff and spend their cash!
09-27-2014 10:00 PM
lhczth USCA rules require our clubs to host a trial every other year. On the off years we can host a conformation show or a sanctioned helper seminar/classification (both also cost money to host and run). Clubs should want to host a trial and most hold at least one trial a year. Trials, though, are expensive.

No, club trials are for club members so there is no reason why people can't trial in their own trials. Many clubs bring in the judges they like though USCA requires that in order to use the same judge the following year, there must be a trial with a different judge in between. Some clubs bring in SV or foreign judges. Some like to use only USCA judges. Many clubs find judges that they enjoy hosting though I have found some of the most fun judges also have the sharpest pencils.

Most clubs would not want to trial under a club member or someone they train with regularly. I know my old club had a judge/member at one point (one of the founders of the club) and he never judged our trial. Not sure if this is a rule, just not done or because we all knew how tough he was and didn't want to trial under him. I would have to ask.
09-27-2014 04:15 PM
Haven Steve: The link seems to be the right one, but I couldn't find the list.

Stupid question: Why does every club have to hold a trial? Is there a rule about supplying non-club judges or against competing in you own club's trial? The 270 rule would seem a bit incestuous otherwise.

Thanks as always!
09-27-2014 11:49 AM
Steve Strom Menlo, probably 6 or so. So County combined with some other clubs, 3 or 4. Every club has to have 1. Joel Monroe's club in the valley looks like they have a pretty good amount. You can go to and find them listed there Stuart.
09-27-2014 11:44 AM
Haven Holland: Thanks. I wouldn't have guessed from the name, North County Schutzhund Club, that it is actually in deep Southern California. What I still don't get is why she (or Deleta for the Nationals) would travel such long distances to attend trials.

Martemchik: Sarcasm? No. Weak humor? Yes. (I give my friend from Madison, Wisconsin a bad time too although I note he lives here now.) As I mentioned to Holland, I still don't quite understand. When we went to the AKC Western Obedience trials in Portland, Oregon almost 30 years ago, we principally went for the fun of it. Is that why most teams go? Teresa Cowart (the High In Trial) traveled almost as far as we did to attend a trial that wasn't even in her Region.

West Coast Forum Members: What's a decent guess-estimate of the number of IPO Trials in the West Coast yearly?

Thanks All!
09-27-2014 01:21 AM
Originally Posted by Haven View Post
Why would Deleta want to pay to go to Cleveland in November?! Miami or New Orleans I might understand, but Cleveland in November?!

Haven (aka Wimpy Californian)
09-27-2014 12:42 AM
Originally Posted by Haven View Post
Hi All:

I thought I had set it up to get an email when anyone posted to this thread but I only got one email saying lhczth had posted a reply so I'm a bit stunned by how much posting my little question evoked.

Okay, so 270 is the magic number, but would someone please explain why the High In Trial did not win ( or even place?!

Deleta with Jamie's brother, Ingo, did score 276 and is (now?) an IPO3 so she can go to the Nationals. As a couple of members have suggested, would it be worth the time and money considering that Ingo only scored a 276? And, where are the Nationals going to be held?

The person who was high in trial did not win because they weren't from the region
09-27-2014 12:01 AM
Haven Why would Deleta want to pay to go to Cleveland in November?! Miami or New Orleans I might understand, but Cleveland in November?!

Haven (aka Wimpy Californian)
09-26-2014 10:11 PM
martemchik Nationals is right outside of Cleveland this year. Nov 5-9. The actual trial is going on Friday through Sunday.
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