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09-02-2014 01:07 PM
lhczth Vaginal swabs used to be used fairly often. They check for the amount of cornification of the cells in either the discharge or around the cervix (has been awhile since I paid attention). They are not as accurate as progesterone testing, but may be OK if you are doing a couple of live breedings and IF the vet knows what he/she is doing.
09-02-2014 12:39 AM
Originally Posted by Twink90 View Post
I have another year before I hopefully earn my IPO. I will keep looking at my options for a working line stud. I wouldn't want to water down Tom Vant so maybe I will go in another direction. I have plenty of time & maybe Parish will have a change of heart later on :-)

The vaginal swab my vet said they can tell how close to ovulating she is. So maybe I misunderstood them
They can do a quick blood test to see where she is at, those are not as accurate, as they do not actually test the numbers of the progesterone. But it is blood, quicker and cheaper. I have not heard of a vaginal swab to check for ovulation time, but they may have something that I just haven't heard of.
08-31-2014 01:48 AM
Twink90 I have another year before I hopefully earn my IPO. I will keep looking at my options for a working line stud. I wouldn't want to water down Tom Vant so maybe I will go in another direction. I have plenty of time & maybe Parish will have a change of heart later on :-)

The vaginal swab my vet said they can tell how close to ovulating she is. So maybe I misunderstood them
08-31-2014 12:52 AM
CelticGlory Bomber isn't offered for outside breeding's, just to let you know. You could always use one of his son's though.
08-30-2014 11:41 PM
selzer The vaginal swab is to see what bacteria is present in the bitch. The thing is, that area is NOT sterile. You have to expect bacteria to be present, strep, staph, microplasma, etc. You can find out if there are high levels of bacteria present. The thing is, if you find bacteria, and you put your bitch on anti-biotics, you can be prepping the area for nasty-worse crap that will grow in the absence of the normal stuff.

Sometimes stud owners will want to this done. Always get the brucellosis test -- that is venerial disease that can cause all kinds of issues.

Progesterone testing will tell you the exact day of ovulation -- which is not necessarily the day you need to breed on, if you test enough times to actually get the surge. It is good to know though, particularly if you are traveling to the stud dog, and if you may need a c-section: puppies are born 63 days after ovulation, NOT the day the dog and bitch mate.

Actually, you will probably want to breed her at least twice two or three days apart.
08-30-2014 11:02 PM
Twink90 Fantastic ideas!! Thanks so much everyone!! I'm just so nervous even though I've raised Dozens of rescued pups & kittens. I've never had any of my own :-)
My vets said to do a vaginal swab, he said nothing about progesterone. Is one better then the other? Trinity is very obvious when she is ready. She flags & tries to hump other dogs.

No problem on goats milk!! Darbe my girl just had twin boys. & we do milk her! Great timing huh ?! Say hello to Flip & Flop!!!
08-30-2014 07:14 PM
dawnandjr There is a great facebook group. Canine fertility, reproduction and neonatal issues. There are lots of saved documents that people have written that are worth a read. Do make sure you confirm pregnancy by ultrasound. You dont want to over feed a bitch just because you 'think' she might be pregnant. Also, are you doing progesterone testing? Have lots of info to share about that that could take up an entire thread. That FB group is helpful with that too. Look up Dr. Jean Dodds vaccination protocol. You can order Nemex 2 for deworming everyone. I also heat with wood and my bitch gets very dry as well. I havent figured out the right combination yet to help with that. Coconut oil should be the only oil you need. You can pick up some Show stopper or puppy gold from K9 power products. Answers raw has goats milk that you can give also. That is great for weaning. Talk with your breeders to ask what should be in your whelping kit, what has worked for them. Also for a whelping box, I just use a kiddie swimming pool. Summer is ending and not sure you will find one now.
08-30-2014 06:55 PM
Twink90 Trinity is the first dog I've ever shown. So this is all new to me but I'm really loving it. I had no idea how different the AKC vs Schutzhund world was. I'm slowly learning. We did earn our VP 1 at 5 months old, BH & SG rating st 16 months. So I'm happy where we are today.
As for the dog I want to breed to V Bomber vom Wolfsheim
He is located not to far from me, but till I earn my IPO & FH this isn't possible. He only breeds to approved females. My close friend knows Bombers owner. & he owes her a breeding. So once I'm ready & Trinutys us ready, that's our plan for the future
08-30-2014 06:03 PM
carmspack you understand that "she took Reserve Champion in the class" means that had that bitch been there , you would have had points .
Just talking with friend the other day , memory lane, and she said her female went reserve to the same female 3 times each time 5 pointers. That female got her CH. and friend continued to show 3 consecutive 5 point majors in a row - CH.

As far as the obedience , AKC judges are too familiar with dogs , GSD - walking on egg shells . I participated, I went through judges apprentice etc etc -- I saw it , which was a shame . I would have loved to see a GSD with some energy .
The sliding stops you can modify by practicing very close recalls , just asking for correct position .
The random bark you can modify by not allowing the "game" of obedience which your dog seems to enjoy and then some, from proceeding . You bark and there is a stall . Don't reward the bark .
08-30-2014 05:39 PM
Jax08 Can I ask what male with Tom Vant Leefdaalhof you have picked out? I tried to send a PM to ask but you have your messages turned off?
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