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08-31-2014 01:28 PM
MichaelE Lisl will never live anywhere but here with me.
08-31-2014 01:06 PM
Originally Posted by MichaelE View Post
I can certainly live with it. I never noticed it 'til now. Thanks for the link. I'll read up on that.
If it ever becomes something you CAN'T live with, I would be happy to take that gorgeous girl off your hands. PMing my address. LOL!
08-31-2014 12:40 PM
Originally Posted by my boy diesel View Post
i wondered if it was her fur and fluff making her arm seem short
can you clarify?
Maybe. In the last photo, her elbow is where the light colored tuft of fur forms a half circle, or, where the dark brown fur on her upper arm turns to black.
08-31-2014 12:19 PM
my boy diesel i am wondering if poor angulation in front has any correlation with elbow dysplasia?
08-31-2014 11:25 AM
lhczth The short upper arm is not just a problem in working lines. It is a breed problem and, IMO, worse in the show lines and will be very hard to correct. The most common angulation problem in working lines is straighter shoulders and often a lack of overall balance.
08-30-2014 09:11 PM
MichaelE That was a very interesting discussion. I learned something.
08-30-2014 08:47 PM
MichaelE I can certainly live with it. I never noticed it 'til now. Thanks for the link. I'll read up on that.
08-30-2014 08:39 PM
Sunflowers When I was told Hans has short upper arms, I did a search here and found multiple threads on this issue.

Looks as if it is hard to get rid of that without sacrificing other, more important traits.
Here is one good thread:
08-30-2014 07:41 PM
MichaelE Besides the obvious answer of 'breeding', how is this being allowed to continue in working lines? I did not know it was an issue, nor did I ever think Lisl's upper arms were too short until now.

I have never studied her from this angle before. I'm always looking at her from above and it was not really noticable to me.

It doesn't seem to affect her gait or agility ability.
08-30-2014 07:22 PM
lhczth Short upper arms are a huge issue in the breed. No worse than most I see.
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