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09-12-2014 12:07 PM
Youreamonkey274
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Youreamonkey, are you at Ft Sill?
Yes Sir, just got here about 6 weeks ago, are you in the area??
09-12-2014 01:29 AM
David Winners Youreamonkey, are you at Ft Sill?
09-11-2014 04:35 PM
lalachka
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Originally Posted by Youreamonkey274 View Post
Thanks so much for the info, I guess I should quit being anti social and make some friends then huh? lol I have been working with a trainer here for about 3 weeks, but I'm still not sure how I feel about him. He doesn't use treats for training, mostly just corrections. :-/
I walked this path already. It hasn't been easy to find a good trainer. I didn't expect it to be this hard.

I like Michael Ellis style, food to teach when possible, correct for non compliance once the dog knows what's expected.

Ideally you have a few short sessions a day. Having someone around for them isn't easy. So your recall training might spread a few months like mine did. Mine took even longer.

A friend has to be patient enough to learn what needs to be done and then patient enough to do it many times over.
09-11-2014 04:30 PM
Youreamonkey274 Thanks so much for the info, I guess I should quit being anti social and make some friends then huh? lol I have been working with a trainer here for about 3 weeks, but I'm still not sure how I feel about him. He doesn't use treats for training, mostly just corrections. :-/
09-11-2014 03:43 PM
lalachka
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I don't have a helper Now I'm kind of bummed out. I usually just train by myself since my husband works 7 days a week (he's a Drill Sergeant). We just moved to the area, so I don't really know anyone I would trust enough to help me train. Do you think I could implement some of the stuff using a 50 ft training lead instead of a helper??
Some steps you can. Like the restrained recall, you put the line around the tree and let go after you call him to you

But everything after that - nope.

One of the steps is someone giving him food, you recall and then the person closes the fist (so the food is unavailable) and then you feed when he comes to you

Lol I couldn't come up with a way to do this alone

Then it's the same thing but now the person leaves the fist open and the dog should run to you because you have better food

Then you both have equal food

Or replace all that with toys.

I had to ask my friends to help and that's why it took me so long to train it because I didn't have reliable every day help.
09-11-2014 03:39 PM
Youreamonkey274
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Originally Posted by lalachka View Post
Training the recall is an amazing one. unfortunately you need helpers for almost every step.
I don't have a helper Now I'm kind of bummed out. I usually just train by myself since my husband works 7 days a week (he's a Drill Sergeant). We just moved to the area, so I don't really know anyone I would trust enough to help me train. Do you think I could implement some of the stuff using a 50 ft training lead instead of a helper??
09-11-2014 03:30 PM
lalachka Training the recall is an amazing one. unfortunately you need helpers for almost every step.
09-11-2014 03:27 PM
Youreamonkey274
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Originally Posted by shantinath1000 View Post
I got the pack structure video- I feel the info is outdated and rather harsh in some methods- although in fairness I did not watch the whole thing- I got turned off by the tone- it semed bullying the dog into doing what I want. The M. Ellis vids are worth the price (my opinion ).
I agree completely! I purchased the pack structure dvd about 3 months ago when I was concerned about my, then, 7 month old puppy getting a little dominant with my 7 year old daughter. Figured I would try to nip it in the bud before it got any worse. I was open minded about the training, as I had heard good things about Leerburg. I watched probably about 75 minutes of the video, took notes about everything we should/should not be doing. Some of the things he suggested I was already doing, but most of it seemed just plain cruel to me. My daughter was even crying while she was watching because I had explained to her that this was the training we were going to start with Zelda, and that we had to do everything right so that she would be a better puppy. I told her the training would be temporary until she learned the correct behaviors, but that we had to be consistent. Ignorantly, I did attempt his method for about a day and a half before I came to my senses and realized how ridiculous it was. He suggested leaving her crated ALL THE TIME, except to go to the bathroom. We weren't supposed to talk to her, or even look at her. It was heart breaking. Needless to say, I stopped doing it and never watched the rest of the video.

I do, however, LOVE Michael Ellis' theory for dog training. I also just became a bowwowflix.com member, and I am excited to receive my first two DVDs. One of them is Training the Recall with Michael Ellis (which I was surprised was available)!
09-03-2014 03:07 AM
Border Dog I have been renting Michael Ellis dvds from Bowwowflix. I have to say it has changed the way I look at dog training. They are Leerbug dvds but have Ellis doing the instruction.
08-28-2014 08:07 AM
shantinath1000 I got the pack structure video- I feel the info is outdated and rather harsh in some methods- although in fairness I did not watch the whole thing- I got turned off by the tone- it semed bullying the dog into doing what I want. The M. Ellis vids are worth the price (my opinion ).
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