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08-21-2014 10:14 AM
lyssa62 at home Roxy almost has a throne of praise...it's in class I am so busy concentrating I forget to praise her all the time.
I have tried the one thing the trainer suggested of loosing up on the leash -- cuz my gut reaction is to tighten it ..even before the situation is right in front of us ( I'm sure Roxy feeds into that)
I am letting her out to the end of the leash and then coming to a dead stop and getting her back to me on her own will and not me correcting with the prong....we worked on that a couple of 10 minute intervals yesterday while at the building.

yes baby steps...we may have to just in sort start over and begin again. I will probably keep her in class...just because I think we both really need that but the helper said I can go on the other side of the room if we need to. She had to do that with one of her dogs that was not focused on her. She said she started with her clear across the room and then would come closer and closer but if there was a reaction she moved back a foot. I love the people there...they are so willing to help and are patient.
The one dog in there I was jealous of....NOPE wrong -- helper asked me if I saw her owner get bit ...missed that but I had seen him throw her to the ground ( rolling her and pin her) ..welp she had finally had enough of his badgering her and let him have it...the helper said he's always like that...the dog never has a down time and she finally let him have it. So no need to be jealous there...I don't think she's as well trained as she looks I think she obeys him out of fear. And now I feel sorry for her and hope they don't end up back in class next week.

we went out and sat on the front porch and just observed what was going on this am. Watched and LEAVE IT a couple of squirrels .....we have like a little road we live on that goes off to a main road so I walked her up to the main road and we just sat and watched the kids leave for school and the school bus and a couple of trucks. We didn't walk around while they were moving...we just sat and watched.
We'll see how this goes

thank you all
08-21-2014 08:58 AM
David Winners To add to what Lies said :

Stay under threshold. That may mean that you don't leave your front yard for a couple weeks. Add distraction slowly and be prepared to take a step back. Move from the front yard to the street right in front of the house and don't progress any further until she is good there.

Baby steps.

Any time you go too far, recognize your mistake and ease back on the distraction. Build good habits.

If she won't take food, withhold a meal before you know you are going into a difficult situation. Then the rewards will have more value and the effect will be greater.

Baby steps.
08-21-2014 08:12 AM
Liesje Class may be too much for her. The issue here is that she needs to be confident in herself and you. Her behavior is incidental. Focus on her *confidence* and not the actual lunging and barking. If she is over-threshold (reacting) in class, then it's too much for her even if all the other dogs are fine. Work on YOUR relationship and interactions with the dog and you will likely see vast improvement indirectly.
08-20-2014 05:44 PM
lyssa62 oh no I'll never give up and I'm totally taking most of the blame. I took her down to the building we have training in ( have a membership there) ....all by ourselves...the little ( fill in your own) ..did everything SPOT ON! One of the helpers showed up ...she was going to clean and so she saw how Roxy will respond one on one...so I HAVE A WITNESS !!! YAY!!!!! We got into a long conversation ( she has a 4 year old rescue shepherd that makes Roxy look angelic...she had her in class on Monday)....so we had a nice long chat and the whole time Roxy just sat and laid and looked at me...and made her noise when she knows it's going to be a long story ( which is kind of funny)...she makes a cow moo sound and gets comfy.
Anyhow I'm just thrilled that I have a witness to the thing I am always trying to tell them....but she does this right at home. I know the helper believes me since she deals with it too....only on a higher level of never know what's going to trigger.

I will just keep troding along and taking classes and working with her. We'll get this. I may give this star mark thing one more try before I chuck it and take it back. But right now it looks like at least for awhile longer she will be on a prong. She's only 76 lbs but it's muscle and somehow can stranglehold my 135lbs.
08-20-2014 04:41 PM
SuperG
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Originally Posted by lyssa62 View Post
...I need video of what goes on here when we are not walking or not in class....you would never guess it's the same dog.

I bet I could have made a similar video....LOL.

From the house/backyard into general population is a chore for many dogs and owners...I know this firsthand. However, this time around I am not quitting on this dog and more than willing to take the long road towards a mildly DA dog getting her act together....step by step. I'm generally an impatient person but not when it comes to this issue. Chances are, it's more my failure and lacking than the dog's.

Somebody recently posted an article describing the 3 Ds in regards to our situation...Distraction, Distance and Duration...it's a good read.



SuperG
08-20-2014 04:04 PM
wolfy dog Why not hire a private trainer?
08-20-2014 01:34 PM
lyssa62 our main issues are --

pulling when other dogs approach -- I try to do that threshold thing ...and sometimes it works...her deal is she thinks every dog down there is there to play

ignoring people as they pass us but then turns around and watches them...I keep trying to get her focus back on me but until she feels they are at a safe distance she keeps watching...

people approaching us are greeted with raised hackles and very vocal barking -- she doesn't lunge at people but she backs up and barks ....( stranger danger)


I'm not good in classes at all...I forget to praise her when she does something good / right ..I'm so busy concentrating on what we are doing or focused on who is being the *** pseudo swear removed by MOD ***in class for the night ( there is always 1 and this time I'm talking about the humans)

the class we are in right now there are 2 other dog aggressive dogs in class...so when they start their crap that gets roxy riled up cuz I think she thinks they want to play and I'm not sure with them that is the case....so it's me pulling her back and it's pulling not coaxing nicely

I'm a wreck most of the time...and what is crazy is that without distractions this is the most well behaved dog you would hope to see...I need video of what goes on here when we are not walking or not in class....you would never guess it's the same dog.
08-20-2014 01:00 PM
DJEtzel
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Originally Posted by Liesje View Post
Why not walk her on a prong? I have dogs that have many titles and yet when I walk multiple dogs (when I am outweighed by dog) I have them wearing prongs. I have nothing to prove when out for a walk other than I can guarantee control of all my dogs. If people want to see them heel around off leash or perform in a chaotic environment, they can come to our Schutzhund training or trial, flyball tournament, agility practice, etc.
I agree wholeheartedly.
08-20-2014 12:14 PM
Liesje Why not walk her on a prong? I have dogs that have many titles and yet when I walk multiple dogs (when I am outweighed by dog) I have them wearing prongs. I have nothing to prove when out for a walk other than I can guarantee control of all my dogs. If people want to see them heel around off leash or perform in a chaotic environment, they can come to our Schutzhund training or trial, flyball tournament, agility practice, etc.
08-20-2014 11:50 AM
blehmannwa I'm sorry to hear that the Star Mark didn't work for you. I've used it with my dogs and still walk Havoc with it--my husband walks him with a flat collar but I feel like I need more control. Maybe the difference is that we used the Star Mark from puppy hood.
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