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08-20-2014 01:36 PM
Lilie
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Originally Posted by carmspack View Post
whatever you decide upon pup , young or adult, or wherever you go make sure that the dog is confident and social -- and then keep them this way.

people looking for that "protection" dog for the homefront that are novice , tend to look for the dog that puts on the display - quick to bark , looks like protection but is defensive , uncertainty .

when they get the pup , they tend to nuture reactions thinking that they are praising strength , meanwhile reinforcing fear .

they will stimulate reactivity .
Great post!
08-20-2014 11:35 AM
lalachka
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Sorry,but if you don't know why she is showing the titles of the parents then you really should not be posting about breeders Lalachka.
I do know. you're missing my point but it doesn't matter now
08-20-2014 11:06 AM
DobbyDad Sorry,but if you don't know why she is showing the titles of the parents then you really should not be posting about breeders Lalachka.
08-20-2014 11:04 AM
robk
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Didn't you say that she doesn't exactly work them though. So I get it, they're titled, but it's not done by the breeder, and so it's basically guaranteed the breeder doesn't 100% know the limitations of the dogs or their weak points.

I'm not saying they're bad dogs. But if I were looking for a protection dog, I'd rather go to a breeder that works their stock and can be truthful about the weaknesses their dogs possess. I'm trying not to bash, or say negative things because I don't know the breeder, but from what I see, it's not worth going from Buffalo, NY to get a dog from this breeder.
I do agree that it is preferable for a breeder to work their own dogs. I cannot tell you how much I've learned about my dogs by working them on a regular basis.
08-20-2014 11:02 AM
lalachka
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I think the OP has moved on to another breeder and that is fine. I hope he gets the right dog for him and his situation.

I just wanted to add something about Janette and Robert from Coldwater since they were the breeder that was originally brought up. They are very concerned with the well being of their dogs after the sale. About 2 months ago, I had a medical emergency with one of my dogs and we spent the weekend in the Animal Urgent Care. Janette and Robert own an animal hospital but they are about two hours away and I could not take my dog to them because time was of the essence. However, they were excellent and stayed in contact with me the whole time. They communicated directly with the E-Vet and reviewed all the labs and notes. They were very supportive and genuinely concerned with what was happening. They wanted to know everything and they offered me a lot of help and guidance and even offered to run some extra tests for me for free if I wanted to bring my dog up there. I was very impressed with how engaged they were and how concerned they were. They might not title their own breeding dogs their selves but you will rarely find a breeder that is more engaged with the health and well being of the animals they produce long after the sale.
I gave an opinion based on what I saw. once you explained why she doesn't title I changed my mind. I just couldn't understand why she's showing the titles of the parents but doesn't have her own and now I do.

to me titles don't matter on their own, but I like for things to make sense and I want to know that I'm rewarding the right breeding practices.
08-20-2014 10:42 AM
carmspack whatever you decide upon pup , young or adult, or wherever you go make sure that the dog is confident and social -- and then keep them this way.

people looking for that "protection" dog for the homefront that are novice , tend to look for the dog that puts on the display - quick to bark , looks like protection but is defensive , uncertainty .

when they get the pup , they tend to nuture reactions thinking that they are praising strength , meanwhile reinforcing fear .

they will stimulate reactivity .
08-20-2014 10:40 AM
martemchik
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Martemchik, you are right in that protection does take training. As for Janettes dogs, they are all worked and she has very good genetics. That does don't mean that they are automatically the best choice for the OP.

Here is an idea; Contact Birgit Hall with police dogs.us. She always has young adult dogs for sale, many of which are already titled; Protection dogs for sale
Didn't you say that she doesn't exactly work them though. So I get it, they're titled, but it's not done by the breeder, and so it's basically guaranteed the breeder doesn't 100% know the limitations of the dogs or their weak points.

I'm not saying they're bad dogs. But if I were looking for a protection dog, I'd rather go to a breeder that works their stock and can be truthful about the weaknesses their dogs possess. I'm trying not to bash, or say negative things because I don't know the breeder, but from what I see, it's not worth going from Buffalo, NY to get a dog from this breeder.
08-20-2014 10:27 AM
robk Martemchik, you are right in that protection does take training. As for Janettes dogs, they are all worked and she has very good genetics. That does don't mean that they are automatically the best choice for the OP.

Here is an idea; Contact Birgit Hall with police dogs.us. She always has young adult dogs for sale, many of which are already titled; Protection dogs for sale
08-20-2014 09:48 AM
martemchik What is your idea of protection? Are you talking a GSD in your home just to deter people from doing anything, or actually training the dog to have a response in it's arsenal?

This breeder's dogs...aren't going to genetically attack anything that walks into your house. Most GSDs won't do that. It takes training. The fact that the breeder isn't involved in bite-sport, and doesn't have a history of producing actual working K9s, I'd say that the dogs they produce do not guarantee a good protection dog. I'd like to see if anyone that has their dogs is working them in IPO and if the dogs are coming along fine. Someone mentioned that she sells them as "green dogs." Not sure how that's possible as she doesn't work her own dogs, so not sure what the definition of a "green dog" is in that situation. Sounds like they just hold back a puppy and probably give it enough obedience to be a house dog.

Anytime someone makes the statement that their dogs will do protection, but yet they don't train any of them to do that, you have to question if the dogs will really protect. At the end of the day, there is no proof that they will.

What you need to decide first, is what protection means to you. The truth is...a puppy, won't be ready to provide you any "real" protection, until it's about 2 years old. So no matter how quickly you get one today...you're going to have 2 years of extensive training before the dog is trained and more importantly mature enough to actually react when a situation presents itself.
08-20-2014 09:36 AM
Odatscoo I have not decided on what breeder yet,
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