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|07-23-2014 01:08 PM|
My foundation female was a West German working x show cross. I could not have been happier with her.
SG Olivia vom Reichtal
She was my first SchH dog and I took her from 7 week old puppy to 3x SchH3 IPO3 without ever failing on the SchH field, she also earned many other titles as well as her SG show rating, breed survey, she did a ton of demos and other things that were great PR for the breed. More importantly she produced several kids/grandkids who were police dogs, SAR dogs, service dogs, SchH dogs, performance dogs and great companions. She also had siblings that were titled in SchH and worked as police dogs.
I bred her (and her daughter/granddaughter) back to working line stud dogs. I have toyed with the idea of breeding her granddaughter or one of her great granddaughters to a particular show line male that I really like... or maybe one of his 1/2 working 1/2 show line sons that is coming up.
|07-11-2014 07:49 AM|
both our dogs are WL SL mix. the first one, female red sable wasn't planned. wife just loved her looks. turned out to be a perfect dog, easily passed CGC under a year. she's a little aloof towards human strangers. she'll growl if a stranger just walk up and sticks their arm in her face. we were so pleased we got another from mix from the same breeder, the tan sable. he is the opposite towards strangers. both great dogs.
|07-11-2014 07:21 AM|
I think what these cute pictures and stories show are beautiful dogs involved successfully in a wide variety of activities. Here are a couple of my full sisters..Sire Show Line/dam Working line, great active dogs, wonderful with children, they both love swimming, fetch, settle great in the house.
|07-11-2014 03:49 AM|
Strauss is a WGSL/WL/AmLine cross. Best dog I've ever had
|07-10-2014 04:09 PM|
And that's quite a thing for you to say my dog is nervy when you've never actually met him. I guess all my trainers who love him and all the compliments I get on how calm and well behaved he is are lies! And I guess he's just pretending when he has no reaction to fireworks or gun shots.
And someone jumping on the all showlines are nerve bags wagon, to me is just showing their ignorance of the breed.
|07-10-2014 03:54 PM|
|Carriesue||If I used your logic Blitz then all working lines are neurotic nerve bags because the ones I've been around are very far from being stable dogs. But I don't base an entire breed/line off of one dog or a small handful of dogs I've met.|
|07-10-2014 03:37 PM|
|Liesje||Meh, in my dog's case the nerve issues came from the working side. I suspected it going into the breeding which is why I originally did not accept the offer to keep back a puppy. I already knew going in that my male needs a really strong dam to keep the defense and aggression in check. What I suspected was confirmed by other people I know who have worked with/trained with and boarded the female. In the end I took a gamble and changed my mind, took the puppy with an open mind, as a puppy I could train for a friend who is contemplating adding another GSD but does not want a baby puppy. I got attached to him and like what I see for my sports other than Schutzhund. But yes it can be a gamble, not because the show line is diluting the working line but because in general if you don't have a REALLY good working knowledge of both pedigrees, it's very hard to predict how they will interact with such an extreme outcross, can be hard to predict even when you do. Like I said, in my case the bitch was not strong enough to maintain the temperament I like about the male, at least as far as working traits or doing protection sport. Other than that, the puppy is fine. In fact one of my vets says he's the most stable tempered GSD he's ever seen and was trying to buy him off me. HE also had the best hip and elbow prelims I've ever had for my dogs which is important to me since he's my next performance/competition dog. He's not bad tempered by any means, but is not the level of strength and forward aggression I would expect in a dog that is seriously being titled in IPO and considered a breeding prospect. I actually expected him to be sharper and more of a spook, but he's turned out quite nice. I take him all over and he's quite social with other dogs and people, but his confidence took some developing. At 8 weeks he was not the puppy that's leading the way or jumping into the thick of things, he's the puppy that's genuinely curious and not going to leave but going to wait for his brother to try it first|
|07-10-2014 03:16 PM|
Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg1 View Post
Too bad he's got IPO3 and FH being such crappy nerve bag. I'll base my opinions off my own successful experiences, rather than others who would sooner quit because they might actually have to work a little to bring out the best in the dog.
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|07-10-2014 02:36 PM|
Dont do it.. Worst dog I ever owned was SL/ WL cross. All the suspicion and aggression from the working side came together with the less then stellar nerve base in the show side.
Most people seem to think this will lead to the best of both worlds but in the majority of cases it does not.
Cute pictures aside most of these crosses have less then stellar nerves/drives imo.
|07-10-2014 02:06 PM|
My two year old intact male, Varick, is DDR (sire is pure DDR) and West German show line (dam is WGSL/DDR cross).
He is 26" tall, 85 lbs lean.
Dark Sable, standard coat.
Medium prey drive and tug drive
Very high ball drive
High defense drive
Aloof towards strangers
Confident with loud noises (gun shots, fireworks, etc )
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