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07-11-2014 12:06 PM
DobbyDad In two of those photos I think the dog is using a ball to try to lure the chickens in because schH dogs are not only aggressive but also smart.
07-11-2014 11:49 AM
Courtney I would be right at home in that last pic with everyone chilling out
07-11-2014 10:28 AM
Chris Wild I just cleaned out the SD card on the camera and couldn't resist posting these as they seem to go nicely with this recent thread.

We'll call this Myth#1a.. that SchH dogs are not only biting machines against people, but are also too aggressive and high drive to be safe around other animals or to have living in the house as relaxed companions.

A couple of the girls helping me with chores at the barn.

And a typical evening at home watching TV with a pack of high drive SchH trained working line dogs.

07-08-2014 07:30 AM
bill Sabis

Stahl my boy!
07-08-2014 07:29 AM
bill Davis mom that is what I was talking about" a long hill to climb!! Bill

Stahl my boy!
07-08-2014 03:35 AM
Sabis mom
Originally Posted by martemchik View Post
I'm not 100% sure about dogs purposely made vicious, never really dealt with it...but I do know that even the most abused dogs, if they have good genetics, can be brought back to trust humans fairly quickly. Close breeder friends of mine had to take back 2 of their dogs that were abused, not physically, but things like being chained up and not being fed enough (16 month old female weighed less than 30 lbs). And my current female is from them and she had been e-collar corrected into not taking things from people’s hands and really destroying her prey drive. All three dogs bounced back within a few months of being in stable homes. My female wouldn’t look at a flirt pole rag that hit her in the face or grab a tug toy from a human if her life depended on it…she’s now biting a sleeve and playing tug with the best of them. The other two are in wonderful homes also being trained in IPO and absolutely love people when they are out and about at fairs/parades.

So it just shows that genetics can overcome even the worst of training situations. I think most dogs will tend to go back to their original genetics if they’re taken out of a negative situation that has trained them to go against what their body chemistry tells them to do.
Gotta disagree a bit. Bud was sold as an 8 week old pup to what was later found to be a rotten home-shock, shock, people lie. We finally found out what was going on and his breeder exercised his right to reclaim the dog. Bud was 11 months old and a mess. He had been starved, beaten, neglected, attacked by other dogs, kicked, shot, sprayed with water, left outside with no shelter and finally run over with a quad. My boss wanted to have him PTS, I wanted to save him. I was given a 2 week test, improve something or put him down. I won. It was a long hard road to get him back and 11 years later I am very, very careful about who gets near him. I tended his injuries and spent countless hours sitting beside his crate talking. My husband went the stomach route, chicken, steak, venison. He made sure every time Bud saw him something yummy was given. He is amazing, cuddly and obedient with his family but he is only around certain guests and only supervised.
So no, genetics will not always save them. However, with poor genetics I wouldn't have gotten him this far.
Oddly, he isn't dog aggressive.
07-08-2014 02:50 AM
llombardo I have a very high energy, high ball drive golden also. Neither if my goldens are couch potatoes but the younger one is always ready to go What I have noticed is the younger one has picked up some GSD traits. The older one one was not raised with GSD's, he was older when they came into the picture, but Midnite completely took the younger golden under his wing. The younger golden plays like a GSD and picked up some herding. He is a very happy dog, but can take or leave strangers and doesn't need to meet everyone. He follows me everywhere and won't go with a stranger. I'm sure genetics play a role, but I believe that from being around the GSD's, he acts like one. It's what he has learned.
07-08-2014 01:25 AM
Colie CVT I raise a golden that will go all day and be ready for more, and is a very calm and easy going dude when he needs to be. He's done 15 miles in the wilderness then ready to go where I may go lol. So not all goldens are just couch potatoes. :P Granted I also find it interesting that many people who own GSD also own a lab or golden. Must mean something.

Anyway I found some pictures that have Leia with a child we know (I am lacking in friends with kids) so I could share those.

Not as impressive as some other dogs out there but she's a good girl.
07-08-2014 12:49 AM
glowingtoadfly Lol I've heard the Golden line many times.
Originally Posted by LifeofRiley View Post
Very true. And, I had a little fun imagining the types of responses they would likely get if they did start a thread like the ones you mentioned.

Here’s what sprang to mind once I got beyond the obvious one of “How nice, sounds like you have a good dog":

  • That’s great, my dog used to be like that but then… [insert cautionary tale about the evils of vaccines or dog parks]
  • That’s great… oh, you have no idea how few good dogs and good owners there are out there…. Let me tell you a story… [story may include all or one of the following characters – evil neighbor, stupid/idiot/clueless dog owner, a psychotic doodle, a yappy ankle-biter, a blood-thirsty pit mix]
  • That’s great, when I was a kid... [story that follows will include idyllic accounts of dogs and kids freely romping through the neighborhood together without a care in the world]
And, last but not least…
  • That’s not how a GSD is supposed to behave because a “real” GSD is…. etc., etc. etc. [at some point during the ensuing debate, the OP will likely be told they should have gotten a Golden Retriever]
Of course, most threads of the type you referred to would likely just get some views and maybe one or two “good job” comments and before slipping off of the “Active Topics” radar. The OP will feel hurt that more people didn't share in their happiness and think that everyone on this forum must be an elitist snob.

Okay, that was my off-topic fun for the day . Feel free to proceed with the regularly scheduled discussion.
07-08-2014 12:43 AM
Originally Posted by onyx'girl View Post
I have 3 GSD's only one is "stable"...due to his good breeding. I'm the same owner for all three.
The other two are managed with care...and limited in what we can do, especially as far as training goes. Put them in close quarters with other dog(as in training class) and they are over threshold.
I have raised many stable shepherds and one I now have one fearful puppy. I don't think it was anything I did.
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