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07-06-2014 03:32 PM
GSDAlphaMom Mine never had food drive either. The one thing that has worked for me is fresh beef liver. You can actually find it at Wal Mart. It's called Rumba and is never frozen. I bake it.
07-06-2014 02:19 PM
Pax8
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Originally Posted by Momto2GSDs View Post
Oh Man!

Want a HIGH value, simple homemade treat?

1.Get a round steak or sirloin steak from the store. HIGHER Value? Use Calves liver instead!
2.Cut off all the fat
3.Braise (fry) it quickly on both sides in a non stick pan sprayed with Pam or a little Olive Oil
4.Cool
5.Take a pair of scissors or kitchen shears, cut steak in strips, then cut in tiny pieces about the size of a dime.
6.Divide into several zip loc baggies and put in freezer or fridge. You can take a baggie out whenever you need it and the dog's also like them frozen!
*SNAP! You're done! With a good size round steak, you'll get 300 to 500 treats depending on how large you cut them for a cheap price!

What about switching steak with Mozzarella or Cheddar cheese cubes to keep his intrest?

If you don't want to make them you can purchase these High Quality treats: Bravo! Training Treats
Bravo Bonus Bites: are 100% all meat, and made from all natural, antibiotic-free, grain free meats and organ meat protein sources.
Example: "Dry Roasted" Buffalo Liver: Ingredients Grass-fed buffalo liver.
"Freeze Dried Treats" - Venison Liver: Ingredients Grass-fed venison liver.

Bravo Training Treats:
Made from 100% muscle and organ meats and real Vermont Cheddar Cheese. Contain no grains, fillers or unnecessary additives of any kind. Perfectly sized to be held between two fingers for easy hand-to-dog feeding.
Example: "Turkey Bites" - Ingredients: Turkey thigh meat.
Usually available at "Pet Supply Plus" chain stores. Find a location:
Pet Supplies Plus : Home Page

Moms
I've actually tried every single one of those plus dehydrated lung and liver of all kinds, meats of all kinds (chicken, beef, lamb, fish, pork) straight braised and braised with a tiny bit of garlic seasoning. We've done the Red Barn rolls, cheese, warm hot dog, sausage. He even likes it more than green tripe! It's absolutely nuts how much he likes this stuff. I wish I had a decent camera to show how he gets so excited about the possibility to get it, he literally starts vibrating while he's sitting and waiting for it.
07-06-2014 12:44 PM
Momto2GSDs
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Originally Posted by Pax8 View Post
I know it's absolutely horrible! I'm only using it long enough to get a solid heel going and then we are fading it out for the toy. It's just the only thing I've found that will keep his focus. Otherwise, he gets bored very quickly and his attention wanders. I'm trying a new method with the toy today that will hopefully speed up the process and start getting him more focused and engaged without the trash treat!
Oh Man!

Want a HIGH value, simple homemade treat?

1.Get a round steak or sirloin steak from the store. HIGHER Value? Use Calves liver instead!
2.Cut off all the fat
3.Braise (fry) it quickly on both sides in a non stick pan sprayed with Pam or a little Olive Oil
4.Cool
5.Take a pair of scissors or kitchen shears, cut steak in strips, then cut in tiny pieces about the size of a dime.
6.Divide into several zip loc baggies and put in freezer or fridge. You can take a baggie out whenever you need it and the dog's also like them frozen!
*SNAP! You're done! With a good size round steak, you'll get 300 to 500 treats depending on how large you cut them for a cheap price!

What about switching steak with Mozzarella or Cheddar cheese cubes to keep his intrest?

If you don't want to make them you can purchase these High Quality treats: Bravo! Training Treats
Bravo Bonus Bites: are 100% all meat, and made from all natural, antibiotic-free, grain free meats and organ meat protein sources.
Example: "Dry Roasted" Buffalo Liver: Ingredients Grass-fed buffalo liver.
"Freeze Dried Treats" - Venison Liver: Ingredients Grass-fed venison liver.

Bravo Training Treats:
Made from 100% muscle and organ meats and real Vermont Cheddar Cheese. Contain no grains, fillers or unnecessary additives of any kind. Perfectly sized to be held between two fingers for easy hand-to-dog feeding.
Example: "Turkey Bites" - Ingredients: Turkey thigh meat.
Usually available at "Pet Supply Plus" chain stores. Find a location:
Pet Supplies Plus : Home Page

Moms
07-06-2014 11:46 AM
KaiserandStella
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Originally Posted by Pax8 View Post
I found it! I feel so dumb now that I think about it...but the itches have been coming from the peanut butter I slather in his Kong before I crate him for work. I didn't even think about it. He gets the peanut butter a few days a week. And for some reason I never picked up that the itches weren't as bad during my two day weekends when he didn't get a Kong.

Anyways. So I've found the source of the itches. Now my other big mystery is figuring out why he poops so much on raw...it's good, firm, dark stool. But there's just so much of it. He usually goes two-three times a day in large amounts for his size. Besides the raw meat in his diet, he gets goat milk, a coconut oil supplement, and training treats while we're working. Usually he works for toys, but while we're working heelwork he goes nuts for Pupperoni (not the healthiest by any means, but he loves it). Is it possible that all the Pupperoni he's getting as training treats are just passing straight through him...?
That's good news that you figured out one of the mysteries. :-)

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Originally Posted by Momto2GSDs View Post
OH NO! NOT Pup-Peroni!

Pup-Peroni – By Del Monte: Ingredients:
Meat by-Products, - UNIDENTIFIED MEAT! This could be ANY meat from ANYWHERE!
Soy Grits, -Soy is an estrogenic and can wreak havoc on your dog’s endocrine system. Soy contains a natural chemical that mimics estrogen, the female hormone Cheap Filler. Left over from the human food chain. No nutritional value.
SugarSeriously????
Liver, - UNIDENTIFIED……WHAT animals liver?
Propylene Glycol, - is a second cousin to ethylene glycol, which is ANTIFREEZE! According to Dr. Wendell Belfield, DVM, states that propylene glycol (a pet food ingredient closely related to anti-freeze) causes destruction of red blood cells. According to Kevin Woodward in the book “Veterinary Pharmacovigilance,” propylene glycol is toxic to dogs, cats, horses, cattle and other animals.
Red 40, - From Center For Science In The Public Interest: “Red 40, the most-widely used dye, may accelerate the appearance of immune-system tumors in mice. The dye causes hypersensitivity (allergy-like) reactions in a small number of consumers and might trigger hyperactivity in children. Considering the safety questions and its non-essentiality, Red 40 should be excluded from foods unless and until new tests clearly demonstrate its safety.”
BHA (used as a preservative) - Butylated Hydroxyanisole — A preservative: Is a human carcinogen or cancer-causing agent! According to the National Institute of Health, BHA in the diet has been found to consistently produce certain types of tumors in laboratory animals. BHA enhanced stomach and urinary bladder carcinogenesis. Causes squamous-cell carcinomas in stomachs. Cancers of this type are among the most lethal and fastest acting.
Onion Extract - Highly toxic. Kills red blood cells in dogs/cats. Leads to anemia, weakness and breathing issues.

Glad you found out what makes your dog itch AND that you are staying with raw!
Moms
Terrible. :L

Have you ever thought about making your own dog treats?
07-06-2014 11:15 AM
Pax8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Momto2GSDs View Post
OH NO! NOT Pup-Peroni!

Pup-Peroni – By Del Monte: Ingredients:
Meat by-Products, - UNIDENTIFIED MEAT! This could be ANY meat from ANYWHERE!
Soy Grits, -Soy is an estrogenic and can wreak havoc on your dog’s endocrine system. Soy contains a natural chemical that mimics estrogen, the female hormone Cheap Filler. Left over from the human food chain. No nutritional value.
SugarSeriously????
Liver, - UNIDENTIFIED……WHAT animals liver?
Propylene Glycol, - is a second cousin to ethylene glycol, which is ANTIFREEZE! According to Dr. Wendell Belfield, DVM, states that propylene glycol (a pet food ingredient closely related to anti-freeze) causes destruction of red blood cells. According to Kevin Woodward in the book “Veterinary Pharmacovigilance,” propylene glycol is toxic to dogs, cats, horses, cattle and other animals.
Red 40, - From Center For Science In The Public Interest: “Red 40, the most-widely used dye, may accelerate the appearance of immune-system tumors in mice. The dye causes hypersensitivity (allergy-like) reactions in a small number of consumers and might trigger hyperactivity in children. Considering the safety questions and its non-essentiality, Red 40 should be excluded from foods unless and until new tests clearly demonstrate its safety.”
BHA (used as a preservative) - Butylated Hydroxyanisole — A preservative: Is a human carcinogen or cancer-causing agent! According to the National Institute of Health, BHA in the diet has been found to consistently produce certain types of tumors in laboratory animals. BHA enhanced stomach and urinary bladder carcinogenesis. Causes squamous-cell carcinomas in stomachs. Cancers of this type are among the most lethal and fastest acting.
Onion Extract - Highly toxic. Kills red blood cells in dogs/cats. Leads to anemia, weakness and breathing issues.

Glad you found out what makes your dog itch AND that you are staying with raw!
Moms
I know it's absolutely horrible! I'm only using it long enough to get a solid heel going and then we are fading it out for the toy. It's just the only thing I've found that will keep his focus. Otherwise, he gets bored very quickly and his attention wanders. I'm trying a new method with the toy today that will hopefully speed up the process and start getting him more focused and engaged without the trash treat!
07-06-2014 08:49 AM
Momto2GSDs OH NO! NOT Pup-Peroni!

Pup-Peroni – By Del Monte: Ingredients:
Meat by-Products, - UNIDENTIFIED MEAT! This could be ANY meat from ANYWHERE!
Soy Grits, -Soy is an estrogenic and can wreak havoc on your dog’s endocrine system. Soy contains a natural chemical that mimics estrogen, the female hormone Cheap Filler. Left over from the human food chain. No nutritional value.
SugarSeriously????
Liver, - UNIDENTIFIED……WHAT animals liver?
Propylene Glycol, - is a second cousin to ethylene glycol, which is ANTIFREEZE! According to Dr. Wendell Belfield, DVM, states that propylene glycol (a pet food ingredient closely related to anti-freeze) causes destruction of red blood cells. According to Kevin Woodward in the book “Veterinary Pharmacovigilance,” propylene glycol is toxic to dogs, cats, horses, cattle and other animals.
Red 40, - From Center For Science In The Public Interest: “Red 40, the most-widely used dye, may accelerate the appearance of immune-system tumors in mice. The dye causes hypersensitivity (allergy-like) reactions in a small number of consumers and might trigger hyperactivity in children. Considering the safety questions and its non-essentiality, Red 40 should be excluded from foods unless and until new tests clearly demonstrate its safety.”
BHA (used as a preservative) - Butylated Hydroxyanisole — A preservative: Is a human carcinogen or cancer-causing agent! According to the National Institute of Health, BHA in the diet has been found to consistently produce certain types of tumors in laboratory animals. BHA enhanced stomach and urinary bladder carcinogenesis. Causes squamous-cell carcinomas in stomachs. Cancers of this type are among the most lethal and fastest acting.
Onion Extract - Highly toxic. Kills red blood cells in dogs/cats. Leads to anemia, weakness and breathing issues.

Glad you found out what makes your dog itch AND that you are staying with raw!
Moms
07-06-2014 06:48 AM
Pax8 I found it! I feel so dumb now that I think about it...but the itches have been coming from the peanut butter I slather in his Kong before I crate him for work. I didn't even think about it. He gets the peanut butter a few days a week. And for some reason I never picked up that the itches weren't as bad during my two day weekends when he didn't get a Kong.

Anyways. So I've found the source of the itches. Now my other big mystery is figuring out why he poops so much on raw...it's good, firm, dark stool. But there's just so much of it. He usually goes two-three times a day in large amounts for his size. Besides the raw meat in his diet, he gets goat milk, a coconut oil supplement, and training treats while we're working. Usually he works for toys, but while we're working heelwork he goes nuts for Pupperoni (not the healthiest by any means, but he loves it). Is it possible that all the Pupperoni he's getting as training treats are just passing straight through him...?
07-03-2014 01:13 PM
lauren43
Nature's Variety vs. Raw

Just my 2 cents but I see no issues adding it to his rotation...

I would also want to ferret out what exactly is causing his itches..


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07-03-2014 12:42 PM
Sunflowers
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Originally Posted by Pax8 View Post
I think I'll trial it for a month and see how it goes.
Yes, trial it, you can always go back if it doesn't work.

I tried freeze dried for a couple of weeks and my dog ended up looking like a stray
07-03-2014 12:26 PM
Momto2GSDs
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Originally Posted by KaiserandStella View Post
I think you may be right moms. Probably the Montmorillonite Clay or a combination.
They use to make Kaopectate out of a white clay called Kaolin - hence the name!
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