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06-24-2014 09:46 AM
Contego
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Originally Posted by kiya View Post
Carprofen is the generic of Rymadel. I just took my 11-1/2 yr old off Carpropen and started giving him turmeric, I've been taking turmeric myself for a few months and I'm satisfied with the results. I also stared giving the dogs raw chicken feet because they are supposed to have a high concentration of glucosamine.
You could look into Adaquan injections. There's lots of things you can look into but when you have to resort to the pain meds like Rymadel or Carpropen give your dog milkthistle it will help protect his liver.
Well if you couldn't tell I havent done enough research yet! I had no idea they were the same thing. Thanks for the tip about milkthistle, I'll keep that in mind.
06-24-2014 09:30 AM
kiya Carprofen is the generic of Rymadel. I just took my 11-1/2 yr old off Carpropen and started giving him turmeric, I've been taking turmeric myself for a few months and I'm satisfied with the results. I also stared giving the dogs raw chicken feet because they are supposed to have a high concentration of glucosamine.
You could look into Adaquan injections. There's lots of things you can look into but when you have to resort to the pain meds like Rymadel or Carpropen give your dog milkthistle it will help protect his liver.
06-24-2014 09:20 AM
Contego
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Originally Posted by VTGirlT View Post
Bless your heart for being his pet parent! I am so glad he has you. Sounds like he is in great hands. <3

Someone reminded me before, that these special case dogs, are the ones that teach us the most and leave the biggest paw print on our hearts.

I hope he's in great hands. I wish I had more money for testing and diagnostics so we can figure out all his issues, but for now we just have to treat symptoms as they come along until we figure out the real problem. It's been quite a journey so far with him.

I totally agree with that statement!
06-24-2014 09:13 AM
Contego
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Originally Posted by Magwart View Post
Contego, before you think of ending his life based on his hips, please ask your vet whether Adequan might help him. I don't know the age at which they can start it, but I know a dog in the 1-2 year range that's on it. And another adolescent one that's on Polyglycan, which is works similarly but is slightly less expensive. Your vet can tell you how old they have to be to start this therapy.

Both the young ones I know did a loading dose, then went to monthly maintenance injection. The idea of Adequan is to build up the cartilage inside the joints and lubricate them--healing the joint instead of covering the pain. The usual routine is 2 shots per week for a month, then you step it down to biweekly, and with a young dog, monthly to maintain. The cost to have vets do the injections is $25-45/shot, but some people get vets to prescribe the stuff and do the injections at home.

To put this into perspective: these are both rescued dogs. In one of them, less than 30% of the ball is in the socket. She runs and plays and goofs around like a normal dog. Her gait is a little odd when she runs, but she doesn't know it--she leads a very full, active life.

There's lots of options to help this dog yet. Don't give up!

I will talk to my vet about that...and I know he'd be on board for me doing the injections at home because we discussed that with another issue we were having and he said that would be fine.

I'm not giving up yet, Tego still has a lot of life and spunk, just limited mobility. I call him my mini Shepherd because of his size too! Hehe! But at the same time I want to be realistic. I know that I can handle the supplements and pain meds when necessary and probably the shots. But if it comes to our only option being a super pricey surgery, I know I can't do it. In short, I had no idea we'd wind up with so many issues(read:vet bills) with this dog when we got him, and I'm not going to put us in debt for surgery.

I digress....While he's still enjoying life and while I can do things to help him I will. But I'm not going to make him suffer if it ever gets unbearable. I love him to peices, he is my heart dog. He's my one in a million and will always be the standard that I judge future dogs against.

Rest assured, I'm going to do everything within our realm of possibilities to make life great for him!
06-23-2014 10:09 PM
Magwart Contego, before you think of ending his life based on his hips, please ask your vet whether Adequan might help him. I don't know the age at which they can start it, but I know a dog in the 1-2 year range that's on it. And another adolescent one that's on Polyglycan, which is works similarly but is slightly less expensive. Your vet can tell you how old they have to be to start this therapy.

Both the young ones I know did a loading dose, then went to monthly maintenance injection. The idea of Adequan is to build up the cartilage inside the joints and lubricate them--healing the joint instead of covering the pain. The usual routine is 2 shots per week for a month, then you step it down to biweekly, and with a young dog, monthly to maintain. The cost to have vets do the injections is $25-45/shot, but some people get vets to prescribe the stuff and do the injections at home.

To put this into perspective: these are both rescued dogs. In one of them, less than 30% of the ball is in the socket. She runs and plays and goofs around like a normal dog. Her gait is a little odd when she runs, but she doesn't know it--she leads a very full, active life.

There's lots of options to help this dog yet. Don't give up!
06-23-2014 08:49 PM
VTGirlT
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Originally Posted by Contego View Post
Oh no, it doesn't stop at hips. Bless his little heart, he was the runt for starters(which I wasn't aware of prior to getting him). He has reactions to vaccines and every time he got his shots he would break out in blisters on his paws and ears and tail. He's had gastrointestinal issues to the point that we did the testing for EPI because I figured that would explain the constant diarrhea, his small stature and inabilty to gain weight. He's almost 8 months old and 40lbs tops. The weight doesn't bother me as much as his small stature. He just seems to be really struggling to grow(which could be the runt thing, who knows!). He just looks scrawny and like I don't feed him, and trust me, he eats!

But all that can't deny his precious personality, He's a doll about everything. He goes with me everywhere that I can take him, he does great meeting people...when he knows mommy likes them and he hasn't destroyed a single thing that he wasn't supposed to since he was 8 weeks old. He has truly spoiled me and I know I'll be in for a rude awakening if I ever get another puppy.

ETA:I would imagine you're in the same boat as me, in that I don't feel like I can take on another life as my responsibility and then throw it away if it has flaws. Obviously I'll do what needs to be done for him, but I don't feel like I can get rid of him just because of a few flaws. He a special dog, like yours, and they need someone who has the heart to care for them. If putting him to sleep one day becomes the best plan then fine,that's life but until then, I'm going to love him like he loves me.
Bless your heart for being his pet parent! I am so glad he has you. Sounds like he is in great hands. <3

Someone reminded me before, that these special case dogs, are the ones that teach us the most and leave the biggest paw print on our hearts.
06-23-2014 08:27 PM
Contego
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Originally Posted by VTGirlT View Post
Wow thats a lot of negativity being thrown at you on the value of his life and his hips! There is a lot you can do for maintenance if you cant afford surgeries. But there are some surgeries out there too that could benefit him a lot if his hips ARE really bad.
Are his hips the only "issues?" I've been told to euthanize my dog too because of all of her behavioral and health problems. But their values are different than mine, and her life and the value of it are way different to me than others- so of course from the outside its a mindless and obvious fix.. to euthanize her.. But it ultimately fixes nothing.

Oh no, it doesn't stop at hips. Bless his little heart, he was the runt for starters(which I wasn't aware of prior to getting him). He has reactions to vaccines and every time he got his shots he would break out in blisters on his paws and ears and tail. He's had gastrointestinal issues to the point that we did the testing for EPI because I figured that would explain the constant diarrhea, his small stature and inabilty to gain weight. He's almost 8 months old and 40lbs tops. The weight doesn't bother me as much as his small stature. He just seems to be really struggling to grow(which could be the runt thing, who knows!). He just looks scrawny and like I don't feed him, and trust me, he eats!

But all that can't deny his precious personality, He's a doll about everything. He goes with me everywhere that I can take him, he does great meeting people...when he knows mommy likes them and he hasn't destroyed a single thing that he wasn't supposed to since he was 8 weeks old. He has truly spoiled me and I know I'll be in for a rude awakening if I ever get another puppy.

ETA:I would imagine you're in the same boat as me, in that I don't feel like I can take on another life as my responsibility and then throw it away if it has flaws. Obviously I'll do what needs to be done for him, but I don't feel like I can get rid of him just because of a few flaws. He a special dog, like yours, and they need someone who has the heart to care for them. If putting him to sleep one day becomes the best plan then fine,that's life but until then, I'm going to love him like he loves me.
06-23-2014 07:51 PM
Contego
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Originally Posted by VTGirlT View Post
I wouldn't recommend using Rimadyl for the pain at any age where your pup is at.. Maybe on the except of a really bad painful day because they jumped over something while running and landed on their hips hard or something.

He is young! My vet recommended i start Carprofen when she was just under a year (life long!!!) I tried it and it helped some. But Traumeel actually helped her a lot more and still does. You can try that one and after about 1-2 months if you dont see a difference you could instead try Zeel, which i might switch to just to see. I could picture the damage of Rimadyl on her body long term and just starting at under a year..


But i would hold off on a the long term Rimadyl until he is and older man! Just my thoughts. You do whatever you think is best for your boy. But i would say trying homeopathic first, is always the best/safest option!

Thank you! I'll definitely avoid the Rimadyl. I was actually hoping to get carprofen for him as he was on it for another problem a few months ago and seemed to help him. I don't know what kind of pain levels we're dealing with yet, I'm not sure if he has a high pain thresh hold or if he's not hurting that bad... he's good with not getting a whole lot of activity, but he'll play when he feels like it. He bunny hops when he runs and we have a few stairs and he walks up them very slowly. I think he's bounded up them maybe once in his lifetime and my jaw hit the floor. He walks and poops, he won't just squat til he's done. He's extremely cow hocked and he walks with an odd gait. I feel that xays would only confirm the suspicion.

Anyways, I'll get him on the glucosamine, start back on the fish oil and see if we need pain meds after that.
06-23-2014 07:42 PM
VTGirlT
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Originally Posted by Contego View Post
We haven't done X-rays yet, I'm leaning towards doing it because of how he's acting. He's never had the normal activity level that he should. Last time the vet checked, his flexion was awful. And I can hardly life his leg to check for ticks if we go out in the woods.

I've been told I should just euthanize him and be done with it since he's had so many issues but I can't make that decision without X-rays to see how his his hips are and at least trying while he seems to be enjoying life.
Wow thats a lot of negativity being thrown at you on the value of his life and his hips! There is a lot you can do for maintenance if you cant afford surgeries. But there are some surgeries out there too that could benefit him a lot if his hips ARE really bad.
Are his hips the only "issues?" I've been told to euthanize my dog too because of all of her behavioral and health problems. But their values are different than mine, and her life and the value of it are way different to me than others- so of course from the outside its a mindless and obvious fix.. to euthanize her.. But it ultimately fixes nothing.
06-23-2014 07:37 PM
Contego
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Originally Posted by VTGirlT View Post
At 8 months, did you already get x-rays? That is important for records to see the progression of the HD and the arthritis later down the road. And also for treatment at this point to see what you are dealing with.

For supplements I would add Cosequin DS, it also contains chondroitin which is quite important when i researched it after my Vet told me to switch from Glycoflex2 to Cosequin DS.
You should also do your research on all the different Glucosamine supplements. All different brands have different ways (different "ingredients") to help with the HD, they all could work or they may all work for specific dog chemistries. But my recommendation is Cosequin DS.
I would also add fish oil (Be careful on making sure is quality purified of mercury, etc.)
If your dog is starting to act painful during running or even on walks, etc. You can try adding Traumeel or Zeel. Both are safe and effective if used properly I found and others also have used them on here. They both do different things so you can figure out what would be best for your pup!

With HD it's important to build muscle, this is so important later when they are older. Walking up steep hills, swimming, and moderate running (at their OWN pace) are some ways to help build muscle.

We haven't done X-rays yet, I'm leaning towards doing it because of how he's acting. He's never had the normal activity level that he should. Last time the vet checked, his flexion was awful. And I can hardly life his leg to check for ticks if we go out in the woods.

I've been told I should just euthanize him and be done with it since he's had so many issues but I can't make that decision without X-rays to see how his his hips are and at least trying while he seems to be enjoying life.
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