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06-20-2014 11:18 PM
VanBuren shepherds I've bred litters and I also guarantee hips/elbows, DM, genetic disease, etc.
My guarantee states that if the puppy has any of these problems that we will replace the puppy as soon as possible.
I've only ever had one puppy who had a genetic defect. The owners did not want a new puppy, but asked if I could help cover the vet cost for dealing with the problem. After I agreed they later asked for a full refund.
Although my warranty did not state that I was responsible in any way to help the owners, I knew that the puppy was a result of my breeding and if they were going to keep and love him I wanted to help them any way I could. Being a responsible breeder I did refund them their money.
So it doesn't all depend on what the contract states. It also depends on the morals of the breeder!

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06-20-2014 05:21 PM
Ace GSD I bought mine with no guarantee
06-20-2014 03:26 PM
Andaka Do you know why most breeders give replacements and not money back? It is because breeding is an expensive venture, and there is seldom any money left to return after the expenses are paid. I never required the return of the dog with problems, but I did require a signed vet note saying the first dog had been spayed/neutered.
06-20-2014 01:30 PM
martemchik If American breeders gave a "discount" for not taking a guarantee I wouldn't take it. So if the guarantee was technically an extra fee on top of the pup and not just included in the price, I'd pay less money and walk away without the guarantee. I figure that even if they do provide a replacement puppy...I might not be ready for a second dog, or maybe I don't want one from their lines anymore so why even bother?

Sure...a money back clause I'd take, but that's never offered so who cares.
06-20-2014 12:56 PM
Originally Posted by gsdsar View Post
I would keep looking. 1 year is not enough. And it's only crippling dysplasia. Which is horrible. And you have to return the dog, that you have loved for a year.

I hate that in a contract. It is, IMHO, an easy way for a breeder to never have to honor their guarantee. Most people don't want to give back their dog, so they don't. And the breeder is in the clear. It's shady.
I went through this and I agree with you!

I will NOT go through a breeder who has that in their contract again.
06-20-2014 12:50 PM
asja I have purchased three German Shepherds from two different breeders in Germany, and they did not come with any guarantees. European breeders don't give guarantees to living creatures. However, their breeding requirements are much stricter,and the parents must pass health tests before breeding.

Of those three dogs, one was perfectly healthy with no hip problems whatsoever up until 12.5 years old, when she developed osteosarcoma. With surgery, she lived another year. She hopped around pretty well on her other three good legs. One developed arthritis issues in his old age, treated with supplements and Adequan. One now at 9 years old has a thickened knee, so we're treating that with supplements, and I'm considering more Adequan. But none of them had any issues when they were young, so the guarantee would not have helped.
06-20-2014 10:38 AM
holland Rorie threw up on her guarantee and then ate it...but since I have owned her and reading this thread I just feel that a lot goes into raising a dog and when I get another one I want to get a dog that I really want -that's special-so if I was looking at a replacement the breeder might not actually be breeding something I want....
06-16-2014 04:05 PM
Liesje Not to me, I would feel REALLY weird about asking someone else to help cover my dogs' medical cost, even the breeder. If I can't afford this breed, I just don't get the puppy. I'm already statistically overdue for a GSD with something like HD and I'm prepared to deal with it. If I insist on never paying for a congenital problem, I'd buy a dog that was already screened for such problems.

I agree that a good guarantee doesn't always speak to the quality of the breeder. Many great breeders have no generic written guarantee. Either there is none, or they are an ethical person and work things out as they happen.
06-16-2014 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by eddie1976E View Post
I like this much better.

This is pretty much the only useful kind of warranty or guarantee. You can do all your homework and research bloodlines and OFA results, but for most people the only thing that matters is some kind of financial assistance with future medical costs if a dog develops HD or another crippling congenital problem. It's kind of neat that the breeder actually provides a small financial incentive to title their puppies, too. A good guarantee still really doesn't mean that much about the quality of the breeder though.
06-16-2014 10:50 AM
Originally Posted by Chris Farley
Let's think about this for a sec, Ted, why do they put a guarantee on a box? Hmm, very interesting. Here's how I see it. A guy puts a guarantee on the box 'cause he wants you to fell all warm and toasty inside... Ya think if you leave that box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter. The point is, how do you know the Guarantee Fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy, but we're not buying it. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times. Because they know all they solda ya was a guaranteed piece of ****. That's all it is. Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for right now, for your sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality item from me.
Guarantee's are to assure buyers of quality in the product. With dogs, there is no guarantee. You can only stack the deck best in your favor (strong hips in pedigree, strong working ability in pedigree, etc). Still, every time you get a dog, you are rolling the dice.
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