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12-18-2016 08:59 AM
Nurse Bishop Don Sullivan, in his training CDs, does also advocate play as a reward in addition to praise. It is not an All Positive method. I suppose it is a Because I say so method because disobedience is not an option. If a dog breaks the stay it is just taken back to the spot, not corrected or the command repeated. The dog knows what it did and is given another chance to obey. I notice a lot of people who dis his methods have not tried them. It is basically your standard obedience course where there are rewards for desired behavior and also consequences for deliberate misbehavior when the dog KNOWS the command but blows it off. I'm just saying it worked great for my dog, not trying to start a war or anything.
12-18-2016 06:49 AM
Galathiel Actually her comment came three days after the original post, soooo not 2 years later. *grin*

My dog doesn't care about praise or pets. In fact, he'll move away from them if he's intent on your advancing the game (ball). He's not going to work for that. Find what works, but not all dogs will work for the same thing. He does it 'because I say so', or 'because I want the ball she has', but he feels pets are only for when you need your butt scratched, not because you did something correctly.
12-17-2016 11:49 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by Cassidy's Mom View Post
Baloney.
Hmm ... is two and a half years years to late to disagree?? Nothing changed in "Dog World" since this thread. I think Blitzkrieg1, nailed it "exactly" for those who "Can't."

I use a different set of qualifiers myself ... I call it "Couch Sessions" for uh ... "Losers" ... to wit "Let's put "Foo Foo" on the Couch" and discuss her "issues" and see if we can come to a reasonable resolution?? People still do that and those dogs are still out of control.

I just had one a freaking massive "Pitty" stray and this time ... no "Rocky" to interfere with my rescue attempt (nother story) so I got her!!!
She loved people and "Rocky" thought she was freaking great!! Only ... issue was Cats!!!

A crate ... would have been "ideal" but as I did not have one, leash and consequences ... it was Don't ...Chase the Cats!! One stupid cat caved me up up ... my bad ... I should add ... "hands off the freaking cat" to my cat advise! But within 24 hours ... even my aptly named cat "Spooky." Came out and greeted this new beast with head butts once she "volunteered" to lay down and wait!!

No "Couch" sessions and no "back story" required ... the dog had "Serious Prey Drive Issues!!?? And I was honestly surprised that the change was accomplished in 24 hours??? But ..."Spooky" verified the change in "attitude" I merely observed.

Aww well ... long way off saying "Blitzkrieg1" "nailed it" ... people that search for "backstories" struggle! Those that "practice" ... "Because I say so" ... get it done. Granted ... you still have to know what your doing ... but if you start out "looking for a suitable couch" to find solutions ... most likely your gonna end up in the land of "Fail???"

Just my 'two cents" from the "Real World."
12-17-2016 09:17 PM
Nurse Bishop Any piece of light rope or parachute cord can be used for those lines to teach recall. The collar was a mild plastic prong collar. It is not supposed to be left on the dog, as with any prong collar. It worked for us, we got good results. I have not used food to train my dog. Recently, I have used food to teach the Leave It command, since the command is about not eating food she finds or dead salmon that could infect dogs with salmon sickness in the Pacific North West. I tried using food with her other commands. No difference in response. She works for praise and pets.
12-17-2016 08:24 PM
Steve Strom And what were his nylon ropes? Freedom lines or some stupid thing?
12-17-2016 08:21 PM
onyx'girl One thing that bothered me bigtime about his methods is the disguised plastic prong collar that was his miracle collar or something? One of my clients followed his program and still has his collar on her dog 24/7
I've removed it when I have found it tangled in her coat. Doodle dog that is less than 40#, no need for a prong whatsoever for that dog.
12-17-2016 07:52 PM
Steve Strom
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Originally Posted by Nurse Bishop View Post
This is an old thread but I just wanted to add that I used Don Sullivan's methods (it is a method, not a collar) with my first German Shepherd, a working likes GSD, starting at 8 weeks. My dog at 10 months is doing very well. She works for praise, not for food, and I have the possibility of strong correction if needed. And believe me it is sometimes needed. At 10 months she knows 26 commands and performs under heavy distraction. However, might not be the best method for most soft dogs that you see today. For instance, it demoralized my whippet and was abandoned. You don't need to train sight hounds anyway. They just want to lie on a pillow and disappear with you and your horse at 40 mph.
So even though my dog obeys and behaves and he can take a correction, its less valid because I used food ? No offense Nurse, but is that really the true measure of something? You didn't use food? I'm almost embarrassed to admit to using toys.
12-17-2016 07:34 PM
Nurse Bishop This is an old thread but I just wanted to add that I used Don Sullivan's methods (it is a method, not a collar) with my first German Shepherd, a working likes GSD, starting at 8 weeks. My dog at 10 months is doing very well. She works for praise, not for food, and I have the possibility of strong correction if needed. And believe me it is sometimes needed. At 10 months she knows 26 commands and performs under heavy distraction. However, might not be the best method for most soft dogs that you see today. For instance, it demoralized my whippet and was abandoned. You don't need to train sight hounds anyway. They just want to lie on a pillow and disappear with you and your horse at 40 mph.
06-04-2014 08:13 AM
Gwenhwyfair .....and ironically Don Sullivan used to train sea mammals including killer whales!



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06-03-2014 10:06 PM
Cassidy's Mom
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My concern is that some people seem so afraid to label GSDs (and other protection breeds) as aggressive. It's OK for a dog to have genetic aggression, in fact, with GSD and malinois it is an important component of the breed. It's not a bad word. Aggression with high thresholds, strong nerves, biddability, clear head and training can be a great thing, a terrific thing in fact. Call it fight drive, or prey drive, or defense drive, it is still aggression (my terminology may be different than some).
I think you'll find you're preaching to the choir here.
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