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05-01-2015 09:29 PM
jocoyn Being on my 3rd dog, I know that the mistakes caused by rushing cost more time than those by building a solid foundation. Been there. Done that. Most do so you are in good company.

A lot of people do successfully cross train and I have been told it is more difficult to maintain one dog in two disciplines than two dogs, each in one discipline....but having a young dog who would work all day every day if he could...I would rather put in the extra work than shortchange him on time.
05-01-2015 05:32 PM
DutchKarin Hey Nancy!

You sound like you are very meticulous in training. Probably due to your experience. I pull the typical novice stuff... move to fast then have to back up to fix things. I'm not as bad as some but clearly worse then the experienced folks.

I wanted to add that there are several people in CARDA that do both HRD and area. Seems to work out okay.

Best to you!
05-01-2015 01:40 PM
jocoyn The sit alert is not so good as you are moving the dog out of drive into obedience.

I did the bringel alert on another dog but it morphed back into the bump but she was not so into the tug and a dainty little thing. For her she just bumped me with her nose.

I started the bringsel on the handler with Beau (before I started backchaining) and after I realized I had to hang onto something to stay vertical, decided to go with the bark. I trained the bark completely indepentantly so I could get it on command. Right now I am cueing it and making him do barkbarkbark. I won't move onto the next part of the sequence (the find) until he is doing it without prompting.


We are not even going to start him doing searches until I have a very solid sequence in place under a bunch of conditions....

Of course this is a new thing for him since he has only done cadaver all his life and he will be 4 in July...but I had several folks I trust say he should have no trouble doing both...just to be careful not to mix things up during training and make sure it is clear to him
05-01-2015 12:15 PM
DutchKarin I think if I did it all over again, I would have worked harder on the people bringsel. I think it is harder to train but that just seems safer if you are 50 years old and have a pushy drive muscle of a dog. Have to say that I have never seen anyone use it though, probably because the jump alert is so easy to train. And smarter people do bark or sit alerts and save their bodies! ;-)

I think I'm not too consistent in where I target. Now I just pat my chest, I think. I'll pat lower now and be super consistent. My plan is to do 20 cued alerts and then see what we have and then, if it goes well, do 10 cued alerts in a row and see and then start mixing it up. I am also working on keeping moving when he is coming back after a find. As a relative novice I make a lot of mistakes without knowing it. Some around me just say keep moving but don't emphasize anything too out of the ordinary until I'm mission ready. They discourage moving away from the dog so he has to hit my back. Again, a big push here is to get the basics and get the cert and then start training for real if that makes sense. I don't like that but I get why they say that.

I like the idea of a hug and sweet kisses alert. hahahaha... I think they would throw me out if I tried that one. I have a colleague whose shepherd, a while back, would jump up and nip her ....errhhhh.....chest. Yowsa!
05-01-2015 11:28 AM
Kaimeju I am working on an alert behavior too, separate from other training exercises. Jump is most reliable by far right now (scary). I can't really get him to bark, and he is confused about grabbing a bringsel. He keeps wanting to sit for the toy. Actually, his most reliable behavior is sitting. The jump is fine, he tends to hit my thigh right now, although a lot of the time he grabs me in a bear hug instead. Maybe I should shape a "hug alert"
05-01-2015 08:48 AM
jocoyn Where are you targeting the hit for the jump alert. It is not as bad if he hits you on the hip. It is definitely the easiest alert to build consistency. Have you tried having your back to him and moving away from him when he returns to you? If he can't see your eyes it may help.

Right now I am building a bark bark bark on Beau when he returns, but am just in the 2nd part of back chaining--though I am having to be creative so that he comes all the way into me before he barks. I did not want him jumping on me because he is so pushy, and he is also a freight train.
05-01-2015 12:48 AM
DutchKarin I finished all my sign offs for handler and dog and now heading toward testing. We are really working hard on consistency in alert. I have a bit of a problem because I flinch a lot with a jump alert. Wasn't probably the best idea to go with it. Tygo is a fast fast 65 lb of muscle flying at me and I cannot help but flinch. When Tygo can see me and look in my eyes after a find he tends to just stare at me rather than alert. So we are going back to basics a bit. Targeting the fall for testing in air scent/area/wilderness.

We did a cool training in the coastal red woods. Wahoo, can you say STEEP! Fun navigating in there and wahoo no ticks or poison oak!

I'm joining a county SAR team and will be a ground pounder for the summer but this team likes dogs so all looks good after we certify.

Best to all of you. That Duncan is a cutie!
04-29-2015 09:14 PM
jocoyn My topper is also the Leer 180. Love it.

Beau passed his NAPWDA recert again back in March (already posted about it) and I am beginning to add airscent live find. I am a big proponent for single purpose dogs and am being very careful with the training documentation and scenarios to show a clear separation of orienting cues, proper focus, etc., but we could use more live find dogs as some are getting old and others recovering from CCL injuries, and I think he will be a quick learn. First priority for him is the HRD, though.

Plan to maintain our NAPWDA cadaver certifications but really add more focus into water and less on criminal type searches. The state is crawling with cadaver dogs and I would rather have my day on a boat than in a courtroom; being good at water takes some finesse. Still maintaining proficiency in the other disciplines while working on specializing.

Have a 3 day water training weekend with some folks on another team in May, several Fridays with the SO dive team, team training days scheduled at least once a month for water on my team, a probable other 3 day summer weekend the other team, and a weeklong seminar in advanced water cadaver in October.
04-29-2015 05:16 PM
Kaimeju People I have talked to about keeping dogs cool have recommended vent locks for vehicles, crate fans, and gel crate pads that can be frozen (of course you put them underneath another thick pad.) I think I will end up using all of the above this summer.

I got my new truck setup finished. Leer 180 canopy and we built a platform one Friday evening. Playing with power tools is probably my favorite way to spend time with my husband (especially because I don't know what to do without him!)



Duncan has started his training regularly now and is doing well. I decided to cross-train him in cadaver and air scent live find. I do not know if I will do the certification test for cadaver, but I want him to be equally confident following both types of scent since on most of the wilderness missions we do, the status of the subject is unknown. So, we may not work all of the scenarios such as building and vehicle at first. He has a solid final response already (he just kind of decided to do it, I didn't have to ask for one). We are doing lines of blocks in different configurations. For live find we are doing runaways and he loves it. My team has stepped up to the plate to be subjects, so I'm not worried about that anymore. We are having a really good year.

Not SAR-related, but I have Gypsy doing TD length tracks now. She is working really well lately. Only problem I have with her is corners- she either gets them immediately or blows past them completely.
03-28-2015 10:04 PM
Hineni7 Been a couple of months since the last post... Been taking my pups to training and training just about every day at home. THEY ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT, lol! They each have their preference on discipline (Akivah loves area and Areli trail/tracking), but both are irrepressible when it's time (or they eve think it's time) to work.

We didn't have much of a winter this year (unfortunately, although I am sure those of you on the east coast would have loved to send us some of your weather, haha) and it is really warming up early. Curious on how you guys keep your dogs cool during summer training..
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