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07-03-2014 03:06 PM
MrsHotrod2U
* New Update and looking for advice

We kept Tessa on her meds for a little less than 2 weeks. She got the full loading dose and after a few days of the regular dose we didn't see any improvement in her movement we started to decrease the amount to the point of stopping all together. She hasn't had a seizure since (knock on wood) and is back to her old self. She still can't jump up on the bed, but at least attempts and looks at us like "come on now can I get a little help* This is where she was before the seizure. While on the K*BroVet, she couldn't hardly walk around, especially on the tile floors and looked out of it, even after we decreased the dosing.
We are leaving town in about 3 weeks and might have to kennel her. This is where her seizures started. Should we start her back on the K*BroVet? We are trying to find a friend of Tessa's to come to the house, but that's only a few people and the morning visits are the biggest problem.

Thanks y'all,
05-18-2014 12:03 AM
Colie CVT With the correlation of the neighbor dog, I would be wondering about a toxin myself - however usually it isn't easy to snap those dogs out of seizures with valium if that is the case. The toxin being present would be a main cause for it. Tumors are just generally what you see the most in older dogs that start seizuring, however if there is some kind of metabolic reason that would make sense also.

I have seen patients recover from a seizure and be apprehensive, but able to lift their head and look around. Simply because she is alert doesn't really mean something 100%. Granted if you start the Potassium Bromide and seizures persist, that also would suggest something underlying since anti-seizure meds become ineffective fairly quickly in cases of metabolic or tumors.

I agree with seeing a neurologist and getting an expert opinion if things seem to persist.
05-17-2014 11:47 PM
MrsHotrod2U I did see the duplicate post, I'm not sure how I did that, I bet it was something with login...but one was moved / deleted. I wasn't sure how to delete.

Dr. said he thinks Tessa has a staff dermatitis skin infection. But not to put her on antibiotics or any special shampoos for a week or more, let her rest and load up on the anti seizure meds before we put her in any stressful situations. He recommended a vet that does house calls and can come to the house to diagnose and give us a script / meds for her itchy skin.
Our neighbor lab is having seizures also in the past two weeks. Quite odd and we're going to check out toxic possibilities...there's been a crop duster the past few weeks covering the field behind our neighborhood. We are going to see if any other pets are effected. The Dr. didn't offer any reasons why...he just said he didn't think it could be a tumor on the brain because she came out of the seizure alert ???
05-17-2014 10:51 PM
Anubis_Star
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Some how your thread duplicated. Did you see what I posted on the other?

Odd that she seized again under stressful situation.

IMO, a GP vet is not who should be giving opinion on tumor or not. Not at this age, as mentioned, 8yrs is usually not epilepsy.

But guess no harm in vet making some money.

Really Angryvet. | Angry Vet

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I typically subdivide my seizure dogs into one of three categories based upon age. A three month old puppy, for example, that starts having seizures typically has a congenital malformation (liver shunt, hydrocephalus etc.). A middle aged dog, letís say 3 to 5 years old, who begins having seizures is typically your epileptic patient. Epileptics are simply animals predisposed to having seizures with no identifiable cause other than genetics. We all have a seizure threshold, an accumulation of neuronal stimulation where the brain will have seizure activity. Epileptics have a lower threshold and thus seize more readily.
The third category, unfortunatetly the one poor Winston fell into, is the older patient that begins to seize. This unfortunately is usually due to an intracranial lesion ( a lesion like a tumor in and invading or surrounding and compressing the brain). As an added clue, this patient is a Boxer, a breed that is notoriously known for developing cancer ANYWHERE. Of course there is the outlying infectious disease that can infect an animal of any age and cause seizures but letís dismiss them for the moment as they are certainly rare.
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I agree, what reasons did he give for the seizures then? Stress and anxiety csn lower seizure thresholds so that may be why it's only happening at stressful places. But an 8 year old dog is not going to develop epilepsy. Toxin, infection, or tumor are usual causes. I recommend seeing a board certified neurologist. I've seen plenty of older seizure dogs with confirmed tumors from MRI seem fine except for seizures, until the tumor grows big enough to cause more neurological deficits

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05-17-2014 07:51 PM
GatorBytes Some how your thread duplicated. Did you see what I posted on the other?

Odd that she seized again under stressful situation.

IMO, a GP vet is not who should be giving opinion on tumor or not. Not at this age, as mentioned, 8yrs is usually not epilepsy.

But guess no harm in vet making some money.

Really Angryvet. | Angry Vet

^^^
I typically subdivide my seizure dogs into one of three categories based upon age. A three month old puppy, for example, that starts having seizures typically has a congenital malformation (liver shunt, hydrocephalus etc.). A middle aged dog, letís say 3 to 5 years old, who begins having seizures is typically your epileptic patient. Epileptics are simply animals predisposed to having seizures with no identifiable cause other than genetics. We all have a seizure threshold, an accumulation of neuronal stimulation where the brain will have seizure activity. Epileptics have a lower threshold and thus seize more readily.
The third category, unfortunatetly the one poor Winston fell into, is the older patient that begins to seize. This unfortunately is usually due to an intracranial lesion ( a lesion like a tumor in and invading or surrounding and compressing the brain). As an added clue, this patient is a Boxer, a breed that is notoriously known for developing cancer ANYWHERE. Of course there is the outlying infectious disease that can infect an animal of any age and cause seizures but letís dismiss them for the moment as they are certainly rare.
- See more at: Really Angryvet. | Angry Vet
05-17-2014 07:18 PM
MrsHotrod2U Update**
we went to a new vet today, it's our neighbors vet who is caring for their lab who started seizures recently as well.
Tessa was fine after her first one at the groomers, the rest of the week she was normal and even playful at times. Today we sat in the car until the vet was ready for us to take her in the room and went straight in. She went with hesitation, but we did not have to force or coax to much. Within a couple of minutes she started to seize, it was terrible. I've never witnessed this and it broke my heart. The Dr. & techs called it a "flow blown" seize.
The thyroid test was negative. The Dr. didn't think it was a brain tumor because when she came out she was very alert, even after the shot of Valium. He prescribed K*BroVet, he gave us both oral and tablets to see which is easiest to administer, for us to "load" her up for the first 5 dys at 25 mg and then 7 mg after daily. Also a script for the Valium, to keep her on it for 3 days steady and then only as needed.
05-16-2014 10:53 AM
huntergreen hi gator.
05-15-2014 12:53 PM
GatorBytes this thread is duplicted
05-15-2014 12:36 PM
huntergreen i would disagree with your vet. i would have wanted to start some phenobarb until cause was identified.
05-15-2014 12:35 PM
MrsHotrod2U I am calling today to get her an appt. w/ my neighbors vet. Their dog recently has been having seizures. I will ask for a blood work up first and all the regular exam stuff.
Good news, no more seizures, she did have some labored breathing, almost like huffing but just 1x. She's always had the varied breathing from fast and short to slow normal. I'll let you know the test results, thank you.
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