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05-15-2014 09:19 AM
blackshep Oh I see! Thanks. I can't think of any occasion I'd have access to bear meat, but it's good to know.

I feed whole frozen sardines, not the kind packed in water.

I just got offered some free deer meat, any worries about that? It's been vacuum sealed and frozen, but it's 2 years old. Nothing wrong with it, otherwise.
05-15-2014 01:55 AM
counter The salmon in the Pacific NW have high mercury levels. I did SAR in Oregon and we would search areas alongside rivers with salmon, sometimes dead on the shores. We were educated and trained to not allow our dogs to snack on the salmon because it would make them severely sick and could kill them if they don't get to an emergency vet right away. The one thing about the mercury poisoning is that, once the dog has had it and been cured, the dog's tolerance levels increase and eating high mercury salmon will have little to no effect the second time around. Some people would actually let their dogs eat the salmon and rush them to the vet, just so they didn't have to worry about it again in the future. It wasn't worth the risk to me, so I just kept Nara away from the salmon carcasses to be safe.

Never cook any raw meat that has bones, as the cooked bones will not digest and will splinter and get stuck in your dog's stomach, requiring surgery to remove and can cause death. Raw uncooked bones are OK to feed.

And yes, any store bought human grade meat, to include fish, can be brought home and fed right away without freezing. I've been feeding raw for 4 years now with no issues.
05-15-2014 12:00 AM
Mrs.P
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Originally Posted by Pax8 View Post
Dog's digestive systems are much more powerful than ours and tolerate a lot more exposure to bacteria. That isn't to say they can eat rotting or rancid meat and be fine because that's dangerous. But things like salmonella on chicken is something a dog's digestive system is naturally able to deal with.



I've never had a problem feeding any safe meat raw. I worry about cooking because it tends to leech out nutrients and alters the amino acids in the meat taking away some of the nutrition.

05-14-2014 11:34 PM
Pax8
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Has anybody read the book "Eating Animals" by Jonathan Foer? My brother lent it to me right after he said no ham for Easter because he can't eat pork now that he knows how smart pigs are. And just context, my brother is a Captain in the Army Reserves, living in Dallas, TX, and our grandfather has a cattle ranch. (I'm the tree-hugging bleeding heart liberal in the family!) I was rolling my eyes until I read the book, and I don't know, I may be a vegetarian now. Anyway, not sure if this is substantiated or not, but the author states that "According to a study published in Consumer Reports, 83 percent of all chicken meat (including organic and antibiotic-free brands) is infected with either campylobacter or salmonella at the time of purchase."

I've been dipping Jedda's chicken parts in boiling water ever since I read that - does that make any sense at all to anybody feeding raw? I'm thinking about getting a pressure cooker so I can stop having these nagging worries about raw. Sorry to hijack, just curious what those with more raw feeding experience think!
Dog's digestive systems are much more powerful than ours and tolerate a lot more exposure to bacteria. That isn't to say they can eat rotting or rancid meat and be fine because that's dangerous. But things like salmonella on chicken is something a dog's digestive system is naturally able to deal with.

I've never had a problem feeding any safe meat raw. I worry about cooking because it tends to leech out nutrients and alters the amino acids in the meat taking away some of the nutrition.
05-14-2014 10:05 PM
kjdreyer Has anybody read the book "Eating Animals" by Jonathan Foer? My brother lent it to me right after he said no ham for Easter because he can't eat pork now that he knows how smart pigs are. And just context, my brother is a Captain in the Army Reserves, living in Dallas, TX, and our grandfather has a cattle ranch. (I'm the tree-hugging bleeding heart liberal in the family!) I was rolling my eyes until I read the book, and I don't know, I may be a vegetarian now. Anyway, not sure if this is substantiated or not, but the author states that "According to a study published in Consumer Reports, 83 percent of all chicken meat (including organic and antibiotic-free brands) is infected with either campylobacter or salmonella at the time of purchase."

I've been dipping Jedda's chicken parts in boiling water ever since I read that - does that make any sense at all to anybody feeding raw? I'm thinking about getting a pressure cooker so I can stop having these nagging worries about raw. Sorry to hijack, just curious what those with more raw feeding experience think!
05-14-2014 09:15 PM
Pax8
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Originally Posted by CharlieB.Barkin View Post
Can you feed canned or bottled sardines?
If you can, would the sodium level be a problem?
I'll just do canned sardines in water every now and then. Just make sure it isn't in any broth or flavoring because that's when you'll see elevated sodium levels. But just plain water is fine.

And salmon poisoning is what I was thinking about concerning the salmon. I have heard that it can be neutralized by freezing, but apparently you have to deep freeze it for three weeks and it can't get above a certain temperature during the entire period it is staying frozen. I'm just too paranoid about the what-ifs to feed it. Especially when there are other fish I can feed with no problem.

I just threw in the bit about bear meat because some people get a portion of their meat supply from hunters, and the dangers of feeding bear meat is usually not something that's widely known.
05-14-2014 06:40 PM
Mrs.P
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What is wrong with feeding bear, can I ask?

I don't ever see myself feeding it, just because I have no source for it, but I'm just curious what is wrong with it to feed?

Bear meat can carry trichinosis which SOME strains are not killed by freezing. So personally, I would not take the chance. They can also carry a nematode Baylisascaris. Baylisascaris eggs are almost impossible to destroy -freezing will not work. (Also carried by skunks and raccoons ect) not worth the risk to me
05-14-2014 04:22 PM
CharlieB.Barkin
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I would avoid salmon in a raw diet. I believe it is the salmon from the Pacific Northwest that tend to have very high heavy metal levels that can be problematic to a dog eating it on a frequent basis. I also believe there is concern about some sort of notoriously hard to kill (even by freezing) either virus or parasite in raw salmon of the Pacific variety that could pose a threat. If you want to do fish I would stick to things like sardine.

And for wild game meats, venison, elk, rabbit and such are good. Absolutely no bear, and I would not recommend wild hog/pig of any kind as they DO tend to carry trichinosis as well as other various parasites in my experience.
Can you feed canned or bottled sardines?
If you can, would the sodium level be a problem?
05-14-2014 03:05 PM
blackshep What is wrong with feeding bear, can I ask?

I don't ever see myself feeding it, just because I have no source for it, but I'm just curious what is wrong with it to feed?
05-14-2014 03:04 PM
blackshep Yeah, I mainly feed sardine too. It's salmon poisoning disease you're thinking of, but freezing it for 3 weeks makes it safe.
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