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05-22-2014 10:40 AM
szariksdad When watching the video a couple of things jump out at me first i usually like to reward the dog in correct position instead of jump out of it to reward. i also could hear her no when he did wrong but not her yes or other marks for when he did good. Also I do not understand why her trainer has her walking such short steps along a wall it doe snot seem to be teaching the dog heel very well. As far as using the leash yes you can use slight small pops to build if done right but she does not look like she has been taught how to do that. I also agree with jane in that she does stop to watch the other team so her dog does to. Might be good to get your friend to focus on her dog and train him.
05-16-2014 10:14 AM
onyx'girl I do not agree with the trainer at all!
She started out with correcting him from the beginning. Popping the collar to get him to focus is flattening him.
I would have him drive into her hand more (ups or forwards) for some treats before she starts training, and do some circles or turns(the dog) to increase his drive state.
Do this as she brings him onto the field right out of the crate.
She also seems concerned about the other team on the field and her dog is reading her emotions.
She should look at some of Bridget Carlsens video clips.
Bridget Carlsen - Competition Obedience Training
05-16-2014 09:54 AM
Steve Strom
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Here is a video from yesterday, she is sorta starting over again back to one or 2 very small steps (again her trainer says to just use food, he says to starve him for 3 days and the crate him 24/7 ......she does not agree with this, is this typical??

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I don't know that the deprivation is right or not, but looking at the video, I would be thinking a little more of giving him a reason to want to look up. At the very least, the food being given to him above his head instead of the release and move. In his case, that's just maybe a little too much "Look up because I'm telling you to"
05-16-2014 07:55 AM
Liz&Anna
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Without seeing the dog and them in training it's hard to say what will work and what won't? Some dogs are just never going to give you that 100% focus. Sometimes we have to except that.. It's hard, I know!!
Where do you train? I'm thinking she needs a new trainer


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05-16-2014 07:54 AM
Liz&Anna Here is a video from yesterday, she is sorta starting over again back to one or 2 very small steps (again her trainer says to just use food, he says to starve him for 3 days and the crate him 24/7 ......she does not agree with this, is this typical??

http://youtu.be/BqR8jHQl6hw


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05-13-2014 08:10 PM
G-burg Without seeing the dog and them in training it's hard to say what will work and what won't? Some dogs are just never going to give you that 100% focus. Sometimes we have to except that.. It's hard, I know!!
05-13-2014 07:44 PM
onyx'girl food works well for dogs that can't control their energy on a tug or a ball...and it works well in the teaching or luring stages. But some dogs are flat with food, or not real food driven so need more than a treat as a reward.
Tug, ball, whatever gets the dog excited. My dog needs his toys changed up often, I may carry two different ones in my vest in one session. I know many say to make the dog work for *the handler* and praise is a decent enough reward. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

Trainers should look at the individual dog and not try to make their methods fit all dogs.
05-13-2014 07:40 PM
Liz&Anna
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Give him a coupl 1;e of days off " dont play with him just let him be a dog' then ask him if he wants to work in a
Excited tone keep the heeling short at first' quit on a good note ' then play play play do it every time. He will want to work so he can play after. Works for me to get the happy attention! Good luck! Bill

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I'll suggest this also!! People told me the same thing, not to work my dog every day.


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05-13-2014 07:39 PM
Liz&Anna
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I would really need to see what she is doing. Most of the time, except in the case with dogs that lack a desire to work with their handler, the dogs get bored and lose drive because the handler/training is boring. Does your friend use a lure so the dog is working for the reward or do they pop out the toy, give food/praise, at random times (I tend to use it for best effort or if I know the dog can go flat in a certain sport) so the dog is working to earn the reward? There is a huge difference. Too many trainers do the former (which is why crazy toy driven dogs are favored in OB) instead of the latter. If done right a dog should build drive and get pushier throughout the routine.

I would crate the dog before training and afterwards. Otherwise, no, I do not believe in creating drive through deprivation. There are better ways to achieve things.
She will ask for fuss walk a bit and I will spot- the SECOND he lifts his front legs a bit higher (looking happy) she will pull the tug out and reward right away. WE were going to try switching for a bit and having me handle him to see if he looks better with me, but haven't tried that yet. I just couldn't believe how mad her trainer got when she found out we used a tug, they basically had a big argument about it! All I've ever heard from my trainer was to play so I thought it would help, her argument was "you aren't going to have to toy on trial day" and my friend replied with....I won't have treats on trial day either (LOL)


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05-13-2014 07:37 PM
bill Give him a coupl 1;e of days off " dont play with him just let him be a dog' then ask him if he wants to work in a
Excited tone keep the heeling short at first' quit on a good note ' then play play play do it every time. He will want to work so he can play after. Works for me to get the happy attention! Good luck! Bill

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