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05-17-2014 01:31 AM
Susan_GSD_mom
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Originally Posted by hunterisgreat View Post
I allow *fair* social disputes. I drop the hammer on dogs being arse holes
Same here. Currently I have 2 rescues, neutered male, intact female. The boy came from a very abusive, neglectful background, and for a year lived in a kennel with another intact male, larger and stronger, and my poor boy was regularly beat down and starved. Jade, my female, is an "alpha wannabe," and tries to go after him once in a while. I don't allow it. He lived too long that way, has scars to prove it, and I won't allow her to put him through any more abuse. She knows, and all I have to do now is say her name or give her a body bump out of the way, and she backs off.

Once she realized the boundaries I set for her, she began to relax, and her true, silly, playful personality came through. Have to admit, though, it's much easier with just two, I have done multiples before, with a mixed pack, GSDs and GSD/wolf. Easy to get bit in the middle of a ruckus if you let it escalate that far, but you still have to set the boundaries. I never rehomed a canine because of pack issues, we managed it. How could you rehome and still be fair to BOTH of them?

Susan
05-16-2014 07:21 PM
SonsofIorek I have a pack of six, one is a JRT, five are German Shepherds, and four of them are intact females. I allow them to correct each other fairly, but put a stop when it goes over the top. Even with four intact bitches, I have never had a "bitch fight" because I monitor all interaction and know where each dog stands. My alpha bitch, Kyniska age 3, and my newest bitch, Indah age 1 1/2, have never fought even though there has been tension. Indah likes to jump my 7month old because she is smaller and, as such weaker, and I put a stop to it when Kyniska doesn't. If Kyniska gets involved, Indah is fairly put in her place. Indah doesn't back talk Kyniska, and if she did, she would be corrected because she isn't alpha.

The only time, recently, when Kyniska went over board, was after Indah did the "shake off" and was back into a thinking state (instead of reactive state) and Kyniska should have backed off, but didn't. I verbally corrected Kyniska, and told her to leave it. Kyniska is pregnant and hormones are playing a role, so she was feeling more need to make her point. Indah got the point without Kyniska needing to over do it, so I stopped Kyniska.

When three of the last litter were visiting, two sisters, one brother, the sisters got into it. Owner of one was very upset and didn't know why they were "fighting." I explained that female A was upset and stressed because brother wouldn't stop humping her and she finally had to tell him off. When puppy B approached and did a normal behavior, female A overreacted causing a disagreement because puppy B didn't appreciate the overreaction. Being sisters there is already sibling issues, so they're more likely to get into it anyway.

My point, having a pack, or even just two dogs, means you need to know what's going on around you with them. NOT just with their pack order. One dog being stressed physically, or mentally, can cause issues. Factor in unstable or dogs with issues, and you REALLY need to know.

It also helps to have knowledge and understanding in their communication as well. What the difference a tail wag means when its stiff vrs flowing. The height its at when its wagging (and even the dog and how their tail normally sits via height). Licks of the tongue, where their eyes are focused, ear set, even add in where their heads are turned all can explain why a dog fight started. It's this knowledge that can prevent a fight, before it starts, or to figure out who to correct if it has started before you can prevent it.
05-15-2014 10:27 PM
llombardo
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Originally Posted by Chip18 View Post
That is good advice! I do intervene and "I" got hurt! My wife would not and my Bull Mastiff would pin the offender to the ground (GSD). But when I was in the middle my GSD saw "me" as a source of empowerment???

If i "ever" have this problem in the future, I will use an E collar and light the offender up like a
christmas tree! Lesson learned!

But back on topic:
Three Dogs Who Shouldn’t Be at the Dog Park or Daycare | Robin Bennett

This is not a dog park thing but it may help in understanding the "issues"
I agree with the article. Midnite would do awful in a dog park. He isn't a bully but he is a large boy who plays really rough. He can be annoying to the other dogs too. He likes to poke them with his nose to get them to play and he doesn't poke lightly. No one ever messed with my oldest female at the dog park. She hates when dogs smells her butt and absolutely does not allow any humping. She gave them one shot to sniff her, she then sat down, and they got the point and walked away. My goldens are just to happy, they wouldn't know or understand if they were getting picked on. The female GSD just doesn't need other dogs and would put a strange dog in its place if it didn't act right. If I brought the younger golden and Midnite together, Midnite would not allow another dog to pick on the golden, that is his boy and he is always watching out for him.
05-15-2014 10:04 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by llombardo View Post
I don't intervene for the most part with mine. There is a pack order,.
That is good advice! I do intervene and "I" got hurt! My wife would not and my Bull Mastiff would pin the offender to the ground (GSD). But when I was in the middle my GSD saw "me" as a source of empowerment???

If i "ever" have this problem in the future, I will use an E collar and light the offender up like a
christmas tree! Lesson learned!

But back on topic:
Three Dogs Who Shouldn’t Be at the Dog Park or Daycare | Robin Bennett

This is not a dog park thing but it may help in understanding the "issues"
05-15-2014 09:56 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by Harry and Lola View Post
I suppose some people do pick on/bully weaker people or people with a disability - but not all people do this. Most people I know and have known in my life do not do this, quite the opposite. I imagine we are only talking about a tiny minority of people that go for the weaker, the majority of humans do not. It is in most humans nature to want to help and protect.

Whereas all dogs will eliminate the weaker from the pack.
I tend to agree!

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Maybe people are nicer in Australia, I think humans attack weakness.
Sorry it sounds like you have met a lot of the "wrong" people.
05-15-2014 09:41 PM
llombardo I don't intervene for the most part with mine. There is a pack order, I know who the top two dogs are and I think the other 4 are still figuring that out. Whenever I think I figured it out one if them does something that makes me change my thought process. They really get along pretty well , Midnite is the most pushiest and the roughest. He usually gets rough with one of the other boys and one of the girls steps in and stops him. Just yesterday he was picking on the one dog and it was getting loud, the other dog decided that he wasn't going go take it, which always throws Midnite off. I turned around to tell them to stop and my oldest female had already stepped in the middle and pulled the smaller dog away. It's something to see. I told her good girl give me high five , she did and went to sleep, her job was done.
05-15-2014 09:00 PM
Merciel When to Intervene in Dog-Dog Interactions might be worth a look if you haven't already seen it.
05-15-2014 08:53 PM
hunterisgreat I allow *fair* social disputes. I drop the hammer on dogs being arse holes
05-15-2014 08:51 PM
Harry and Lola LOL I'm not sure about that!

I like to think that humans protect and nuture the weak, sure there are some people that enjoy picking on others but in my experience there are more people that don't.
05-15-2014 08:37 PM
volcano Maybe people are nicer in Australia, I think humans attack weakness.
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