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05-10-2014 05:52 PM
Twyla
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Originally Posted by my boy diesel View Post
LAT and BAT are great tools to use with a dog like this when they are under control and understand consequences.

no offense twyla
when you say these things i am confused as to what lat and bat are
i actually have no clue what they are or what they entail
can you add links to explain or type an explanation?
No offense taken

BAT

LAT

BAT especially is easily modified to suit the individual dog.
05-10-2014 12:42 PM
my boy diesel LAT and BAT are great tools to use with a dog like this when they are under control and understand consequences.

no offense twyla
when you say these things i am confused as to what lat and bat are
i actually have no clue what they are or what they entail
can you add links to explain or type an explanation?
05-10-2014 12:06 PM
Martini1217 Sent you a PM, Baillif.

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Originally Posted by Baillif View Post
You could probably get her compliant and obedient and stopping all that BS in less than 3 weeks if you found the right trainer. No need to suppress or shut a dog down. It need not be about fear. Avoidance of unpleasant consequences sure, but not fear.

If you're doing things right it doesn't take a long time.

In fact. Look up a trainer named Jason Davis in Jacksonville Florida. He runs a kennel called Karma K9. He will get you straight.
05-10-2014 08:58 AM
Baillif You could probably get her compliant and obedient and stopping all that BS in less than 3 weeks if you found the right trainer. No need to suppress or shut a dog down. It need not be about fear. Avoidance of unpleasant consequences sure, but not fear.

If you're doing things right it doesn't take a long time.

In fact. Look up a trainer named Jason Davis in Jacksonville Florida. He runs a kennel called Karma K9. He will get you straight.
05-10-2014 07:58 AM
JeanKBBMMMAAN I'd also look at where I was going and why I needed to take her out/where she needed to go. Am I taking her out because I want her to be a normal dog? Because right now that is not going to happen, and that's not going to happen in the next 3 months either. You COULD probably shut her down in that amount of time - dogs super compliant because you are more frightening than what is scaring/stimulating them. I prefer to avoid doing that and use some good management tools - including that muzzle.

So that box may just be the house and yard and a car ride to a nice, leashed walk in the woods, or other things under her threshold for a while as you all adjust to another change, until she is ready to try more. Because the goals can change - things can move more or less quickly - and as long as you keep her and others safe, you are meeting the biggest goal.
05-10-2014 07:48 AM
Twyla
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Originally Posted by sabledog3 View Post
Twyla- lupine harness can't be backed out of, look them up, they are great and don't interfere with the shoulder
Haiti's have a safety strap and I also recommended a second leash on the flat collar

The op already started that they know the dog won't be perfect before they move. Time crunch is not a good reason not to do the right thing for the dog, its not the dogs fault after all.
I took a look at the harness. It would have been great to use with my Lab when she thought she was a freight train. We aren't talking about a Lab that needed to learn to walk on a leash.

Time crunch is exactly the reason to do what is right for the dog. If you read the first post by the OP, you saw that they are moving in a short time to a base with zero tolerance. If the dog isn't under control, he won't be able to have the dog. A dog like this can't be responsibly rehomed, it would require pts. Is that doing the right thing by the dog?

LAT and BAT are great tools to use with a dog like this when they are under control and understand consequences.

FWIW, when I pick up Woolf's prong, he comes racing, bright eyed and tail wagging, to perfect front to get it put on. Sounds like it has really been cruel using a prong doesn't it? This is a dog that PO trainers recommended to pts because the cookies didn't work.
05-10-2014 07:41 AM
JeanKBBMMMAAN OP - this sounds like something that might be helpful to contact Tuft's about. Videos would help for them I am sure. They can do long distance consults PETFAX Behavioral Consultation : Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine

I think selzer has a nice post on managing it - also check this out Across a Threshold - Whole Dog Journal Article has some. Basically a dog needs to figuratively be put in the size box they are most comfortable in - some dogs can handle being in a big box, where they run around with people and other dogs and never have issues. Other dogs need to be boxed in behaviorally, environmentally, to be safe, and over time the walls of the box can be moved out. For right now, picture your dog in a little box next to you. I'd have her on a 4 foot lead with 2 collars and a basket muzzle and work on that relationship of trust. Suzanne Clothier (.com) has some nice articles and is big on that relationship based training. Dr. Yin has some neat stuff on her website, check out some of her free posters - I bet you see your dog reflected in some of them.

A dog that is unable to work through desensitization protocols is not fully trusting that they will be safe. This is not always because of us! I would be looking at a place like Tuft's that is not location specific for help. And always nice to rule out that thyroid issue (Michigan state also has some nice panels), but she sounds like a pretty scared, insecure dog.
05-09-2014 10:48 PM
Gwenhwyfair Won't be perfect?!

The dog is getting worse per the OP who made it clear time is of the essence. He's moving to a new base mid June and has tried two trainers that both told him the dog basically cannot be fixed.

That right there is the standard PO trainer response to a dog they can't click the aggression away with.

How many PO trainers should he futz around with as the problem gets worse before he has to get rid of the dog???

What the heck does it have to do with whether it's the "dogs fault"? It's not about the dog being treated meanly or unfairly as you imply. It's about getting to the bottom of the problem and fixing it.

Further how is this wasting of more time and having to get rid of the dog the "right thing" for either the OP or his dog?


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Originally Posted by sabledog3 View Post
Twyla- lupine harness can't be backed out of, look them up, they are great and don't interfere with the shoulder
Haiti's have a safety strap and I also recommended a second leash on the flat collar

The op already started that they know the dog won't be perfect before they move. Time crunch is not a good reason not to do the right thing for the dog, its not the dogs fault after all.
05-09-2014 10:35 PM
sabledog3 Twyla- lupine harness can't be backed out of, look them up, they are great and don't interfere with the shoulder
Haiti's have a safety strap and I also recommended a second leash on the flat collar

The op already started that they know the dog won't be perfect before they move. Time crunch is not a good reason not to do the right thing for the dog, its not the dogs fault after all.
05-09-2014 08:16 PM
Chip18 Well I'm not a pro and I'm not going to argue with those that are! My advice also would be to consult a professional!
But... I did have serious people issues with my WL GSD. I used a fabric muzzle for a while and then dropped it's use.

I did this with my guy:
Leerburg | Who Pets Your Puppy or Dog

He turned out great! First hand experience here but it depends on "you" my guys "know" "I" don't tolerate crap behaviour!

Look it ove see what you think?
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