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04-30-2014 12:31 PM
Liesje To add....I wouldn't necessarily say that kenneled dogs will produce good house dogs across the board. It all boils down to genetics and how the dog is trained. A dog that genetically is more hectic, unsettled, low threshold will behave that way in a kennel too, it's just often ignored or less annoying because the dog can't destroy anything or annoy anyone if he's out in a kennel. If I see dogs that are spinning or biting at the kennel bars/fence, I avoid those dogs. Those are two things I personally cannot stand. While I keep my dogs indoors, they are still crated in the van and for trials, training, tournaments, and when I have guests so I can't stand for dogs that are spinning around, gnashing at a crate or kennel.

I personally keep my dogs indoors (mostly because I have no choice, living in the city with no space for a kennel) and not only that, but they all live together. We don't do the "crate and rotate" thing. Dogs either get along (don't have to be best buds but can't be fighting) or they aren't part of our family. My two younger dogs are till crated while I'm at work and that's it. The adults are free in the house together, and everyone is free all night (they usually sleep on or near our bed but the door is open). Having a higher threshold dog that is liveable in a house is a very high priority to me, but I don't write off breeders that keep dogs in kennels or litters that were raised out in barn pens. In fact, of all my puppies, every one has had at least one parent that was a kennel dog and two were kept in barn pens. There are other ways to asses the dog's temperament and make assumptions about how said dogs would behave living indoors.
04-30-2014 11:50 AM
Originally Posted by Liesje View Post
If the genetics are solid, it won't matter in the long run.
Agree with this.

Some sport enthusiasts keep their dogs in kennels and only take them out to train or work. They say it builds drive. For me personally, I prefer a breeder who lives with their dogs in the house, because I want to see how the dogs behave in the house, how they get along with the everyday goings-on of the typical household. But I would not necessarily discount a breeder who keeps their dogs in kennels. Especially if they have a lot of dogs who may or may not get along with each other. Sometimes it's just a matter of logistics.
04-30-2014 11:25 AM
NancyJ My Grim was a kennel dog when I got him at 2. He had only barely been in a house and was a better house dog than Beau who is still a PITA inside (housebroken but into everything)
04-30-2014 11:19 AM
Liesje If the genetics are solid, it won't matter in the long run. I know someone who bought a 14 month old dog that was born in an outdoor kennel, lived in that kennel for 14 months and had no real training or outside socialization. Within a few weeks, the dog was living in the house, potty trained, fine with the other pets in the house. Because she was 14 months old she could already "hold it" a long time so the transition to the house was easy.

As far as ethics or how a dog is treated, there's more to it than whether a breeder uses kennels or not. I don't have any blanket rule that says I don't accept using outdoor kennels/runs. Wish I had space for one myself!
04-30-2014 11:08 AM
brightspot Personnally, I think having the mom and pups in the house is better. I think it gets the pups used to people and sounds more quickly. The breeder can keep a better eye on mom and pups by not having to go out to a kennel.

My breeder keeps her pack together in her house and her yard, but she only has six dogs. Adult dogs help train the pups as they get older. I have no experience with kennel raised pups -- this is my gut reaction not based on any facts.
04-30-2014 10:49 AM
MustLoveGSDs Do you mean big time commercial breeders vs hobby breeders?
04-30-2014 10:24 AM
NancyJ I think the question is odd and not really relevant.

If you are talking about a breeder who keeps the breeding stock in runs all the time and is a mass producing operation then I would runaway runaway but I would expect most breeders to have kennel runs and probably rotate dogs around because, for one, I would not expect them to all "get along" with one another, plus you have to control who gets to mate with who - you can't have all your dogs running around together all the time.

Of course with the USDA getting into dog breeding. Hmmmmm

Cage raised
Free Range
Pasture Raised


It could be interesting? Just kidding. Lobobear, I know there are no "bad" questions but it would probably be better for you to, as we have suggested, get out there with flesh and blood GSD people who are working and showing dogs than ask a bunch of questions related to finding a breeder via the internet when you are, possibly, several years away from getting a dog.

I just bet if you do that, you may find suggestions based on seeing real dogs in the real world who impress you. .
04-30-2014 09:56 AM
holland I am not sure what you are asking-think any breeder is going to have some area set up for puppies or its going to get very messy
04-30-2014 07:13 AM
Wolfenstein Are you talking about breeders who house their dogs in kennel runs vs. their own homes?
04-30-2014 03:04 AM
harmony I never heard about free range breeder. Get the blood work done if you are really going to do that.
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