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|04-23-2014 02:20 PM|
|huntergreen||you come here looking for help and disregard most. i would most likely be banned for telling you what i think of your dog park skills, but suspect you won't stick around long.|
|04-23-2014 08:09 AM|
OP, I understand this completely. But in your opening post, it was your off leash dog that did the approaching and the possible humping and the other dog pretty much reacted as some unfriendly ( an indeed friendly) dogs are wont to do.
Neutral training to me does not equal putting your dog in situations where social cues are over looked. I have a two-year-old intact male that does 90 minute off lead work in parkland every morning which involves meeting countless dogs, some on lead, some off. At this stage in his life he pretty much takes zero notice of any other dog and is patient with even the most rambunctious puppies who take a notion to blunder up to him. I wouldn't expect an 11 month old to behave like him, but I got him to this stage by training him to focus on me and whatever game I might be involving him in.
As I live in a city, he is expected to be calm around traffic, pedestrians and noise in general and oblivious to dogs snarling and charging behind gates and loose dogs who bark at us. He is because he trusts me (and his temperament and genetics also dictate so), and I have never put him face to face or lay him on another dog- that in my opinion, would undermine his trust in me.
I understand also you want your dog to have down time and just be a dog, but this is where I would introduce my dog to calm stable dogs who you KNOW will not react as the dog in the park did. I pack walk my own dog once or twice a month with a number of dogs, but they all know each other and they all behave well, which in turn builds confidence in the younger dogs. Perhaps you could look into something like that?
I'm am not against dog parks per se, but as others have said, you can't be sure of the other dogs or what level of training they have, so to that end I'd avoid them
Lastly, regardless of training, dogs have a pretty unique language all of their own designed to avoid conflict and to send signals without speech so to speak. Body language can be obvious or it can be subtle, when it progresses to growling the message should be loud and clear. It does all of us, as owners, a great service to be aware of the body language and, yes, social cues, of dogs in general. That way you can manage your dog and avoid trouble as much as possible.
Best of luck with your pup, I hope he wasn't too sore or frightened after his encounter.
|04-23-2014 12:12 AM|
You, yourself also need to know basic dog language, you misread or ignored the warning signals of this other dog. Please don't report him to the authorities, it was not his fault.
|04-22-2014 11:54 PM|
I think what I would do, is if I still wanted to train in a dog park, I would watch that first encounter, and if something happened like a dog immediately snapped at my puppy, I would use the opportunity to have my dog heel next to me, while I gathered up our things, and then I would leave.
I think that after such an introduction, to allow your puppy to be 100 feet or 200 feet away from you while your mind was on something else was in fact not protecting your puppy. But you probably know that better than the rest of us at this point.
I am sorry this happened, but with some of the stuff you are teaching, I think it was really inevitable. Dogs have a number of doggy-manners, that they learn or fail to learn in their litter. And it is rude to go up and get right in another dog's face, so rude that that behavior would be corrected. Humping too, is something that puppies will do in the litter. And as they grow and mature, if they are not dispersed from the litter, it will go from all the puppies taking turns on who is on top, to some of the puppies being on top of others. But training a dog to do this, is basically asking for the dog to display its rank to a stranger dog -- both of these things are the farthest from canine neutral, they are both a challenge to the other dog.
I hope that the pup bounces back from his less than happy encounter quickly, and I hope you sort out whatever you are trying to achieve with the dog.
|04-22-2014 11:18 PM|
A dog of sound temperament at this age doesn't need to go to Lowes/Walmart 5 - 7 times a week to keep up socialization skills.
|04-22-2014 10:02 PM|
Originally Posted by carmspack View Post
My dog has been working on socialization with me since I got him at 8 weeks. Even something as simple as taking him to a day care to let a bunch of kids play with him, and even today (especially today..) taking him out and training around people and distractions as well. It not only helps me and him bond, but helped me as well with being out and about.
|04-22-2014 09:55 PM|
Originally Posted by wolfstraum View Post
When did I encourage my dog to approach? Also, I will make sure to call Michael Vick, and let him know that you are interested in joining his crew. If my dog simply APPROACHING another dog when off lead and FREED..is considered some sort of travesty and you want to crucify him...well then I'm sorry?
The dog park part, I will agree with. Never going back.
|04-22-2014 09:41 PM|
|Twyla||Can you post a link to your trainer's website? Or other links to the training method he uses?|
|04-22-2014 09:35 PM|
Originally Posted by wyoung2153 View Post
Oh yes, I agree. I really wish I wouldn't have been looking down at the time. I enjoy him being a puppy and playing (when not on a leash)...but trust me, he gets a nice little "correction" when I catch him trying to "bump uglies" with other dogs.
I'm really skeptical about just HOW much I can correct him for that being that he is young and frisky. I obviously plan on snipping him at or around 2 years to give him time to fully develop. I rarely ever deal with him trying to mount other dogs though. That's what I would guess happened though, but I will never know for sure.
I am the same way with my thoughts on MP involvement.
I also do not want the dog punished (the other owners dog) for something that the dog truly isn't at fault for. At the very core, whether it's training or socialization, the blame is ALWAYS and should always be on the owners.
I take blame for going to a dog park in the first place. I take blame for letting my dog be in a place with handlers who can't even control their own dogs...like a grown man getting pulled like a rag doll by a tiny dog and not correcting them or anything.
|04-22-2014 09:31 PM|
A service dog will still have to be able to read other dogs and behave appropriately.
Allowing the dog to get in another's face is simply a bad idea. You have already seen the results.
I am wondering what the credentials are of this trainer. Unfortunately, anyone can call themselves a dog trainer.
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