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04-22-2014 12:42 PM
my boy diesel I don't do intros in "neutral" places because my dogs are all very accustomed to a stream of puppies and foster dogs.

some dogs are just not used to sharing their homes and resources with other dogs like yours probably are
but i would say in general the resident dog is not going to be thrilled with another dog just waltzing in
04-21-2014 04:34 PM
Liesje I think Chris' posts are spot on. Many dogs need and adjustment period, even healthy ones. The seizure disorder just adds a whole extra dimension. I don't have experience with a seizure dog but my husband has idiopathic epilepsy and I've seen him have to wean onto two different anticonvulsant drugs and it's not pretty. There is a big adjustment period even for a stable-tempered human being, lol. Not to mention that when he actually has a seizure his body acts about like what you would expect from someone who has a bad case of influenza - he is completely physically wiped out. Normally he needs very little sleep, 5-6 hours, but after a seizure would sleep and be delirious for a day and a half.

Introductions with other dogs are always going to vary based on the dogs and the experience of the owner/foster. I don't do intros in "neutral" places because my dogs are all very accustomed to a stream of puppies and foster dogs. My mutts like other dogs and my adult male intact GSD is actually better with dogs that I bring into the home and into our yard than meeting on leash in supposedly "neutral" territory. If I bring a dog home, he defers to me and understands the dog is now in the pack and he ignores the dog. He's far more wary of other dogs' behavior toward him when off our property.
04-21-2014 04:29 PM
kiya Unfortunately I missed the part about retuning the poor dog. Its a shame they could have gotten help.
04-21-2014 04:24 PM
katieliz kiya, you are not reading thoroughly. the OP has already taken the dog back to the rescue.

to the OP. if you are still here, the feedback you asked for has been given to you. i hope you can look forward and use the information in increasing your knowledge about realistically what to expect when adopting a rescue dog.
04-21-2014 04:09 PM
kiya I applaud your taking on a dog with seizures. Not knowing "everything" about him will make it a little harder to figure him out. My girl Kiya has been having seizures since she was 18 months old she will be 10 in May. I honestly never though she would be here.
It is quite possible he just had a seizure and hadn't fully recovered when you brought him home. I'd be very careful with your other dog if he does have a seizure she could go after him.
I hope you have patience and give it a chance.
I belong to a few groups this is one of the best Canine Epilepsy Resources and we are on FB
04-21-2014 02:32 PM
LoveDogs Stress can increase the chances of a seizure and these are indications of a pending seizure.
I had a lab that had seizures and they started after she was fixed. Anything that disrupted her routine would potentially trigger a seizure. This dog was in a panic state more than likely, too much at one time. You state that he would just stare into space and would not respond- absent seizure perhaps. Patients with seizures tend to go into a state like this and it can be frequent and long before a grand mal seizure. Seizure medications can make anything go "spacey" too.
04-21-2014 02:21 PM
Lilie [QUOTE=mego;5408745] My dog won't even tolerate meeting another dog in her yard without getting mad. Has to be neutral ground.


When I come home from a weekend event with one of my males, everyone is excited. I bring my other male out in the front yard to 'meet' the dog that was gone. Even though they've been raised together. If for no other reason but to keep the chaos outside where both dogs can escape the other.
04-21-2014 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by my boy diesel View Post
btw proper intros to the home are things like taking both dogs to neutral territory and not just bringing the new dog into the house
i am glad actually that he was so flat or as you say nothing home because had he reacted to your female biting his ears to teach him who is boss
you could have easily had a disaster on your hands

proper intros include down time and intros on neutral territory such as a park (not dog park) and a long walk before nose to nose intros even

and separation and downtime when you do finally bring the dog home
one or both dogs could be leashed for at least that day and even up to a week or two
in case a fight does break out so you have control over them

a crate properly used could possibly have helped with the pacing
i also like d.a.p. for stressed dogs and that could have been utilized

if you adopt again i hope you come here to ask before sending the dog back to the rescue less than 24 hrs after it arrives at your home
My dog won't even tolerate meeting another dog in her yard without getting mad. Has to be neutral ground.

I'm surprised you didn't crate him at night so he felt safe.

Anyway, not going to bash made a mistake, hopefully you learn from it and someone finds that baby another home who will keep him.
04-21-2014 01:35 PM
my boy diesel they are very much like people in how they handle stress
people seem to forget that dogs are individuals just like humans and it takes time to learn them and now they respond to different situations

pacing and panting does not indicate to me that 'nobody is home' because those behaviors can be huge indications that the dog is stressed and a dog that is flat or blank or emotionless or 'nobody is home' would just lay there doing absolutely nothing

pacing and panting can also be indications of pain

there again you would have to know the dog to figure out if it is in pain or stressed or if it is a side effect to the seizure meds or even a precursor to a seizure

some of the dogs i have know that had seizures paced a lot just before one occurred
04-21-2014 01:22 PM
Chris Wild I think it is also important to note that different dogs respond to stress in different ways. Some are what we call "positive stressers" or dogs who "stress UP". In other words, when stressed they will exhibit hyperactive behaviors, often getting a case of the zoomies. Other dogs are "negative stressers" and "stress DOWN", meaning that they will behave in a very reserved, lethargic manner, often to the point of seeming to be unresponsive, freezing in place, etc...

Everything that the dog went through that day is a huge stressor. Much of his behavior may have been related to the seizure meds as those behaviors aren't uncommon. He may also be one who stresses DOWN as well. Quite possibly he got a double whammy and both stress response type and seizure meds were factors.

If you decide to try getting an older dog again, you need to give the dog much more time to acclimate to the new home, new people and new dog. Don't assault him with everything at once, let him be bullied by your existing dog, and such. Do some research on how to proberly handle that acclimation and introductions and be aware that it will take weeks, maybe even months, for the dog to fully settle in and adjust and bond. And during that time you may see some hyperactive behavior or overly sedate behavior due to how the dog responds to the stress, and be aware that this is not going to be representative of the dog's true personality once he gets comfortable and he may indeed act very different during that acclimation time to what the people in his previous home were used to seeing and told you he was like.
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