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12-08-2015 10:08 AM
Jenny720 Growing up as a kid we always had mixed dogs / purebreed from rescue shelters,kill shelters,breeders and yes a pet store. They all were so special and through them I developed a love for dogs. I still share their stories with my kids. Max our gsd came from a breeder. The kids were older so we were ready for a german shepherd. i have two young kids and want to know the history of where my cute furry puppy will soon to be 80-90lb dog came from. I also wanted to the best of my ability make sure this dog had no health issues. I want him to be part of our family for a very long time. I realize there is no gurantee but it is a good head start. I wanted to raise this soon to be very large dog from a pup so i knew everything about him all his flaws and all his greatness. No one can possibly make me feel guilty where i got my dog from nor do i feel he is better then a dog i would have rescued from a shelter. My job is now to make sure he is well trained, socialized and exersiced to bring out the best who he is. If i was someone else and did not do my part and i could not handle him so had to give him up he could very well end up in a shelter or a rescue group and that would be know one elses fault but mine.
12-07-2015 04:22 PM
MineAreWorkingline
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Originally Posted by WateryTart View Post
Totally, and I lack the experience to really be able to tell what a dog's breeding is like. I can tell the line types apart reasonably well and make a guess about the quality of the conformation to standard, but I don't trust it. Plus I don't trust much of anything so I like seeing the proof. Always.
Exactly! A dog should be a ten to fifteen year commitment. One's best bet is getting one from a breeder that has the same goals in mind as you do.
12-07-2015 03:58 PM
WateryTart
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An experienced person can make a pretty good assumption on whether a dog is well bred or not within five minutes if one is well aware of what the breed standard calls for physically and behaviorally and how the dog in front of you measures up when compared. Most of us on this forum can easily identify an American show line, a West German show line, a working line, a pet line, and a mixed Shepherd at a glance. However, I do agree with you with wanting to see the parents, pedigree, the health guarantee, etc. Knowing your dog is well bred is not the same as wishing it were or presenting it as such.

I don't see how anybody can speculate and state that most dogs are in a shelter as a result of behavioral problems due to training when in reality very little information is offered by the owner, anymore than anybody can state that these dogs had little to know training. Nobody but the owners really know what kind of training the dog has had. With some of the training I have seen put on other people's dogs, I would rather they had no training than to have fix and undo what has been done. I am very particular on my dogs' manners more than training and, like you, prefer the blank slate, especially with a breed like a German Shepherd.

With that said, that does not mean that one can't get a nice dog from a shelter, but the chances of getting the package deal if you are expecting the dog to conform both to the breed standard physically and temperamentally is not likely and if somebody has their heart set on well bred, they should purchase well bred.
Totally, and I lack the experience to really be able to tell what a dog's breeding is like. I can tell the line types apart reasonably well and make a guess about the quality of the conformation to standard, but I don't trust it. Plus I don't trust much of anything so I like seeing the proof. Always.
12-07-2015 02:56 PM
MineAreWorkingline
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That's totally fair - for you.

Re breeding, I don't assume a dog is well bred unless I have the proof. Putting merit aside and looking just at characteristics, I want to see the pedigree and have the word of multiple people who know various dogs in the pedigree (particularly the parents), if I can't meet them myself. I like to be able to see/meet known relatives. I want a health guarantee and an idea of what might go wrong (if anything). Can't get that with a shelter dog.

With the behavior, I don't see why I'm obligated to clean up someone else's mess when it comes to a 70-80 lb animal. I'd rather start with a puppy of known background, with a very good idea of how said puppy was cared for before it came to me. At my experience level (and frankly, interest level), I find it far easier to start fresh with a relatively blank slate. I've invested a lot of time and money, but I get to do it all my way.

That level of control doesn't have to be what works for everyone, but it works for me.
An experienced person can make a pretty good assumption on whether a dog is well bred or not within five minutes if one is well aware of what the breed standard calls for physically and behaviorally and how the dog in front of you measures up when compared. Most of us on this forum can easily identify an American show line, a West German show line, a working line, a pet line, and a mixed Shepherd at a glance. However, I do agree with you with wanting to see the parents, pedigree, the health guarantee, etc. Knowing your dog is well bred is not the same as wishing it were or presenting it as such.

I don't see how anybody can speculate and state that most dogs are in a shelter as a result of behavioral problems due to training when in reality very little information is offered by the owner, anymore than anybody can state that these dogs had little to know training. Nobody but the owners really know what kind of training the dog has had. With some of the training I have seen put on other people's dogs, I would rather they had no training than to have fix and undo what has been done. I am very particular on my dogs' manners more than training and, like you, prefer the blank slate, especially with a breed like a German Shepherd.

With that said, that does not mean that one can't get a nice dog from a shelter, but the chances of getting the package deal if you are expecting the dog to conform both to the breed standard physically and temperamentally is not likely and if somebody has their heart set on well bred, they should purchase well bred.
12-07-2015 02:49 PM
wolfy dog I fostered many dogs and worked with many pet dogs and their people but for my own dogs: meeting solid stable parent dogs before I commit to a pup. I prefer a sane life with sane animals.
12-07-2015 12:35 PM
WateryTart
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Lots of people won't go to shelters because of the problem behaviors some dogs have. My problem with that? Who created those problems? Their previous owners did nothing with them, taught them nothing, then decided that the dog had to go because it didn't behave. That is a serious issue and probably the biggest problem. People expect dogs to be trained and don't want to invest that time or money. I know that here dogs are tested for temperament, if they don't pass that, they are destroyed. So things like jumping up on people, potty training, and maybe even anxiety are most likely the biggest issues. I don't consider any of these deal breakers. I don't mind taking on a challenge to fix problem behaviors, because once those are fixed you have a pretty perfect dog. Old dogs need homes too, they don't deserve to be in a shelter or in that environment. It takes someone special to take on those seniors. They take them in, give them a good life for however long that might be and have their hearts broken when they die as if they had that dog all its life. I did that once and it broke my heart, but I don't regret it. As far as poorly bred? How do you determine a poorly bred dog, especially if its mixed? Based on behavioral problems? Health issues? How can a person look at a dog in the shelter and say its poorly bred after 5 minutes? Is that dog pacing back and forth, barking its head off? The shelter environment takes it toll on dogs. They are in these kennels day after day, maybe getting a walk once a week(how does one expect them to be potty trained when they literally are using the bathroom in their kennel)? They don't know what a toy or bone is, so when they get one they guard it and that is their fault? People stop and look at them, maybe pat them on their head then keep going and there is the pup all excited because someone noticed it. Dogs in general love people and this world would be a better place if people were more like dogs. It sickens me to go in the shelter and to see that lost look in their eyes, almost like they are begging to get out of there. I'm not going to pass up on a dog because they are spayed/neutered, I would rather them be fixed then dead. There is nothing wrong with wanting or getting a sound dog, but there is an issue when people think that they can't get one at the shelter. Its done over and over and over again, you get what you put into any dog--from a shelter or breeder.
That's totally fair - for you.

Re breeding, I don't assume a dog is well bred unless I have the proof. Putting merit aside and looking just at characteristics, I want to see the pedigree and have the word of multiple people who know various dogs in the pedigree (particularly the parents), if I can't meet them myself. I like to be able to see/meet known relatives. I want a health guarantee and an idea of what might go wrong (if anything). Can't get that with a shelter dog.

With the behavior, I don't see why I'm obligated to clean up someone else's mess when it comes to a 70-80 lb animal. I'd rather start with a puppy of known background, with a very good idea of how said puppy was cared for before it came to me. At my experience level (and frankly, interest level), I find it far easier to start fresh with a relatively blank slate. I've invested a lot of time and money, but I get to do it all my way.

That level of control doesn't have to be what works for everyone, but it works for me.
12-07-2015 12:15 PM
WateryTart
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Originally Posted by wolfy dog View Post
When I still had my Italian Greyhounds, people would stop me and ask if they were "rescued". At that time I was already fed up with this issue so I had my answer ready; "No, I bought them as pups from a breeder and they have never know misery in their entire lives". That shut them up, right there and then.
I may steal this. I've been in situations in which people were comparing notes on how bad their dogs' situations were, pre-homing. It's heartbreaking but there's this weird oneupmanship going on. It's sort of like listening to the Four Yorkshiremen sketch. Then they look at me and I'm like, I got nothin' guys.
12-07-2015 02:13 AM
Nigel
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Originally Posted by Way Too Quiet View Post
If we are just talking about GSD and not all the dogs we've ever owned, then I had one GSD which I traded grooming services to a shelter and aquired for free and my last GSD was purchased from a breeder. I was much, much happier with the pup I bought from a breeder.
We traded an older labrador for our 3 yr old male Gsd, lol
12-05-2015 08:46 AM
Way Too Quiet If we are just talking about GSD and not all the dogs we've ever owned, then I had one GSD which I traded grooming services to a shelter and aquired for free and my last GSD was purchased from a breeder. I was much, much happier with the pup I bought from a breeder.
12-05-2015 08:23 AM
llombardo
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Originally Posted by wolfy dog View Post
The local shelters in our area in the NW, along with the spay and neuter police and policies, have resulted in the fact that there is not much choice in shelter dogs here anymore. Most are old, poorly bred and with problem behavior that is sugar coated in their descriptions (another can of worms). However, the buildings need to be paid for and staff want to keep their jobs so I guess that's why they import all these problem dogs. Most are tiny or Pits (disguised as Boxer mixes, Rhodesian Ridgeback mixes etc). Many are sickly and they come by the truck loads and are "adopted" out along the Interstate 5. It seems that CA actually pays people to take them which has resulted in hoarding situations where dogs were crated on top of each other. And then they blame me for buying a sound pup? I have plenty of work as a trainer because of these poor practices as people love to "rescue".
Lots of people won't go to shelters because of the problem behaviors some dogs have. My problem with that? Who created those problems? Their previous owners did nothing with them, taught them nothing, then decided that the dog had to go because it didn't behave. That is a serious issue and probably the biggest problem. People expect dogs to be trained and don't want to invest that time or money. I know that here dogs are tested for temperament, if they don't pass that, they are destroyed. So things like jumping up on people, potty training, and maybe even anxiety are most likely the biggest issues. I don't consider any of these deal breakers. I don't mind taking on a challenge to fix problem behaviors, because once those are fixed you have a pretty perfect dog. Old dogs need homes too, they don't deserve to be in a shelter or in that environment. It takes someone special to take on those seniors. They take them in, give them a good life for however long that might be and have their hearts broken when they die as if they had that dog all its life. I did that once and it broke my heart, but I don't regret it. As far as poorly bred? How do you determine a poorly bred dog, especially if its mixed? Based on behavioral problems? Health issues? How can a person look at a dog in the shelter and say its poorly bred after 5 minutes? Is that dog pacing back and forth, barking its head off? The shelter environment takes it toll on dogs. They are in these kennels day after day, maybe getting a walk once a week(how does one expect them to be potty trained when they literally are using the bathroom in their kennel)? They don't know what a toy or bone is, so when they get one they guard it and that is their fault? People stop and look at them, maybe pat them on their head then keep going and there is the pup all excited because someone noticed it. Dogs in general love people and this world would be a better place if people were more like dogs. It sickens me to go in the shelter and to see that lost look in their eyes, almost like they are begging to get out of there. I'm not going to pass up on a dog because they are spayed/neutered, I would rather them be fixed then dead. There is nothing wrong with wanting or getting a sound dog, but there is an issue when people think that they can't get one at the shelter. Its done over and over and over again, you get what you put into any dog--from a shelter or breeder.
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