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05-19-2014 02:31 PM
Diesel7602 I've found this trainer in Utah that trains dogs to help with autism, they help teach the dog to help the child when they are having or about to have a over load. Also help locate the child if they wonder. Thanks for all that help me understand the truth to esd.

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05-18-2014 08:40 PM
ILGHAUS To sum this thread up somewhat and thoughts from those not yet educated on this topic:

It is highly unusual for a 6 month old pup to be a SD. The average training is between 18-24 months.

3 tasks are not required. This is a misconception to many. There are several organizations that have a 3 task requirement as per their organization but per Federal Law nowhere does it state that requirement. Does not matter which state you live in. Once a dog is considered a SD it falls under Federal Law UNLESS the state gives the handler more rights.

Emotional Support Dogs (ESDs) are not Assistance / Service Dogs. Any type of Emotional Support Animal (ESA) is not allowed to go anywhere that a pet is not allowed. The only reasons that even make it worthwhile to go through steps claiming a pet dog is an ESD is if you live in no pet housing or if you wish to take your dog on board a commercial flight and have it ride in cabin with you. Remember, you must have a formal letter from your doctor stating that in their opinion as your medical provider they believe that such a dog is an important part of your treatment plan. This information will then need to go into your medical records.

It is the owner/handler who has rights not the animal.

The Dept. of Justice deals only with Title II and Title III of the ADA which is Public Access.

There are other Federal Agencies dealing with housing, employment, travel and education. These agencies may ask more in-depth questions and require additional documentation.

If you are brought into the legal system, a Judge may request your medical records, documentation on the training of the dog and for a demonstration of the dog doing a task or work.

Lie or abuse the system on the matter of an ESD or SD and you have violated Federal Law and in some circumstances local State Statutes and County Ordinances. You may also have violated Health Codes.
05-17-2014 02:41 PM
Cheyanna To look at me, one would not see a disability. The genesis for me getting Fiona was falling. I would fall every few months. I had broken each of my knee caps in falls. Since, Fiona ... No falls when I walk with her. I have a spinal problem, a neck problem ,fibromyalgia and diabetes. Fiona helps me walk, helps me get up from a seating position when I cannot get up, keeps me grounded when I am hit with a dizzy spell. The thing I think is most important is that she is a pain dog. I am in constant pain, but with meds, Fiona and rest I can still work. Before Fiona my students thought I was mean and I had quite the reputation as a mean professor. But since Fiona, who comes to class with me, I am much much nicer, because my pain is under control. I can only takes meds every 4 hours, if I have a spike before time for the next pill, Fiona comes to me for attention. She is like a cat, not wanting constant attention, only when I need it.

As a surprise, Fiona started to note my high blood sugar. At first her trainer and I did not know what she was doing. She would place her nose on my backside, leave, and return, repeat until I acknowledged her. We figured out it was when my sugar was high. She does it when I am teaching a class or out in public. My diabetes doctor said I did not need a diabetes dog several years ago pre-Fiona. Most diabetics don't need a dog. But Fiona as a diabetes alert dog is a nice side benefit. She has kept me from having to use a scooter.

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05-17-2014 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by DJEtzel View Post
Your dog does not have any public access rights as an emotional support dog, so your son is not allowed legally to take him into places that do not allow dogs from the public.

You got this "ID number" as part of a scam and it holds no bearing legally for anything, unfortunately.
Ya, I got that... A few post ago. Thanks

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05-17-2014 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by Diesel7602 View Post
This is the tags.
He doesn't have to have them on him. Just his I.d and Id number if my boy takes him in the store incase they tell him he can't.

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Your dog does not have any public access rights as an emotional support dog, so your son is not allowed legally to take him into places that do not allow dogs from the public.

You got this "ID number" as part of a scam and it holds no bearing legally for anything, unfortunately.
05-16-2014 10:59 PM
Diesel7602 I'm glad people can learn threw my mistake =)

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05-16-2014 10:51 PM
Originally Posted by Serbrider View Post
Oh, and don't apologize! It relates to the OP and is a good way for everyone to learn!

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05-16-2014 10:47 PM
Serbrider Sorry about the money you spent on this stuff. the harness looks good quality though, and the rest gives you a good educational story for others.... *shrug*

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05-16-2014 10:45 PM
Serbrider Oh, and don't apologize! It relates to the OP and is a good way for everyone to learn!

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05-16-2014 10:44 PM
Serbrider Exactly. Cards and vests are useful, and your pup COULD be an ESA OR (when trained to complete tasks that assist your son with his disability) a Service Dog, but that "company" is nothing more than a scam that plays into ADA loopholes to get money out of legitimately disabled individuals who think that there must be some sort of registration, so they pay a bunch of unnecessary money for registration in a completely legally worthless registry.

Again, not YOU I'm angry at. It's these "registries" and the lack of ADA education.

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