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03-31-2014 05:55 PM
jafo220
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Originally Posted by jocoyn View Post
I do think the trainer will have to see his behavior in the context of the other dogs. There is much much to be said for doing training in a controlled environment in the presence of other dogs.
He is bringing a dog with him. It's part of the sales pitch for using them as trainers. They want to show their training methods with the dog and probably use them as .....gulp...... bait.

I may not have to feed Cruz dinner tonight.
03-30-2014 10:22 PM
jocoyn I do think the trainer will have to see his behavior in the context of the other dogs. There is much much to be said for doing training in a controlled environment in the presence of other dogs.
03-30-2014 09:45 PM
jafo220 I'll be finding out more tomorrow night. Cruz will be evaluated in his home environment. I think you can tell so much more than in a class with other dogs. Not saying they can't tell anything, just saying I think they only see half the story in class settings. They have to go by word of mouth and owners descriptions which can be hard to translate to the trainers mind. Vocabulary gets in the way sometimes and how one person see's things, a trainer may see a whole different thing.
03-30-2014 08:14 PM
Chip18
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Now. I will say, I have had trouble with my neighbor and her dog and now dogs pooing in our side yard where Cruz has a view of this and knowing male GSD's, albeit at least the ones I have had personally, they were very territorial. This neighbors dogs will come right up and poo right next to the fence. It seems to piss him off really bad. To the point it's obsessive with him. It's the first thing he checks out when he goes out back for anything. Fires down the steps guns a blazin right to the fence of the side yard. He really doesn't like those dogs. I don't know if this has contributed to his reactiveness with other dogs in the area. But it's an on going battle with the neighbor. I've warned her about Cruz and the consequences that could occur if say Cruz is out the same time their kids let their dogs out in the front yard........OFF LEASH. They just don't get it.

With some dogs it seems he wants to play. With other dogs it seems he wants to dominate them..
Yep, gonna say right there is most likely the source of your problem! A dog that is properly conditioned to ignore other dogs..ignores other dogs. My three guys lived next door to, A hole neighbors, dogs that have "no" training and get "no" exercise on both sides of them, they pay no attention to them.

I don't screw around with "I though my dog was freindly folks or dog parks either. My dogs have no issues and I don't need folks and there dogs creating "issues" for me to fix.

I posted some info here you might want to take a look.

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...ing-scary.html
03-30-2014 05:41 PM
jafo220 Oh and by the way, we are having an in home consultation meeting with a new trainer in our area tomorrow night. JFYI.
03-30-2014 05:37 PM
jafo220
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Haha. Cat Warren. She is now training Beau's half sister Coda (they have the same mother). I have not met her but would like to. She will be attending the first half of a seminar in May but I am attending the second half and we won't cross paths.

The biggest mistake I made with prong corrections is the correction and release MUST be swift. I was just trying to figure out why he was Sooooo interested in other dogs. Perhaps Beau pretty much does not get excited about them because, from day 1, he was around team dogs at least once a week or so and never learned to get excited......and we walk all the time in the neighborhood and a lot of neighbors have dogs and we stand and talk.

I was just trying to dissect what DOES make a dog get so excited about seeing other dogs? The ones I had who were so bonkers did "puppy play time" and I thought perhaps that was the cause.
Thinking back to when Cruz was a pup, the only interaction with adult to pups was our first obedience class. It was tight and compact area, inside petco. Also it was with other "problem" dogs. Now whether he picked up on these other dogs bad habits, possible, not probable. It was a 6 week course and it was one session per week.

Now. I will say, I have had trouble with my neighbor and her dog and now dogs pooing in our side yard where Cruz has a view of this and knowing male GSD's, albeit at least the ones I have had personally, they were very territorial. This neighbors dogs will come right up and poo right next to the fence. It seems to piss him off really bad. To the point it's obsessive with him. It's the first thing he checks out when he goes out back for anything. Fires down the steps guns a blazin right to the fence of the side yard. He really doesn't like those dogs. I don't know if this has contributed to his reactiveness with other dogs in the area. But it's an on going battle with the neighbor. I've warned her about Cruz and the consequences that could occur if say Cruz is out the same time their kids let their dogs out in the front yard........OFF LEASH. They just don't get it.

With some dogs it seems he wants to play. With other dogs it seems he wants to dominate them. Again, mostly in my eyes to how the other dog reacts or act towards Cruz. It's like someone you don't know on the street, comes up and politely introduces themselves and engages in a friendly conversation vs. another walking up to you and slapping you with insults or telling you they are going to smack you around alittle cause they don't like you on their side of the street. That's how I kind of look at Cruz's reactions to other dogs. It's not only dogs, but cars. I think the cars has a lot to do with prey drive. The prong has put a big damper on that.

But what's really crazy, is this is the same dog that when he was around 6 months old walked through the neighborhood with me on the 4th of July and was looking at me to see if "I" was ok, instead of the other way around. I don't know about your area, but we have a lot of illegal fireworks around, and when a half stick goes off about 150 feet away, it'll make you jump. Cruz just walked right no down the sidewalk like nothing happened, after he checked on me. Fireworks or other loud noises don't phase him.

I think it all really comes down to genetics in the dog myself. I mean sometimes I think things can happen to cause a mild dog to be reactive, no doubt. But I think it all comes down to genetics.
03-30-2014 05:10 PM
Chip18
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Gonna key in on this also, you did it with "this" dog, you're knew what you wanted!

I'm going to asume this was done with the leash loose...dog "not" being restrained?
Nevermind.
03-30-2014 04:56 PM
Chip18
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Whatever you did for that to be a successful walk, you need to repeat it. If it means having blue smoke come out of your ears, swearing like a sailor - so be it, lol. But if you can do it once then you can do it again. I'd also get a decent prong collar to help put an end to this carrying on. If he's good with most dogs, and he's just being a spaz with the few in the neighborhood, then he's going to be perfectly fine with it, IMO.
Gonna key in on this also, you did it with "this" dog, you're knew what you wanted!

I'm going to asume this was done with the leash loose...dog "not" being restrained?
03-30-2014 02:19 PM
Blanketback I think in the case of neighboring dogs, it's a different issue altogether. On neutral territory, all the shenanigans could just be, "Let me loose to sniff some butt!" but when you consider the neighborhood dogs, it's probably more along the lines of, "My road!" "NO! It's my road, get off it!" "Nay nay, I'm on the sidewalk and you're behind the fence, it's my road now, ha ha you suck!" At least that's what think, lol.
03-30-2014 02:02 PM
jocoyn Haha. Cat Warren. She is now training Beau's half sister Coda (they have the same mother). I have not met her but would like to. She will be attending the first half of a seminar in May but I am attending the second half and we won't cross paths.

The biggest mistake I made with prong corrections is the correction and release MUST be swift. I was just trying to figure out why he was Sooooo interested in other dogs. Perhaps Beau pretty much does not get excited about them because, from day 1, he was around team dogs at least once a week or so and never learned to get excited......and we walk all the time in the neighborhood and a lot of neighbors have dogs and we stand and talk.

I was just trying to dissect what DOES make a dog get so excited about seeing other dogs? The ones I had who were so bonkers did "puppy play time" and I thought perhaps that was the cause.
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