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03-29-2014 10:54 PM
JustJim David, I'm glad you're getting Fama!

A long time ago I had a Chessie who had lumbosacral problems. Looking back, I'm almost certain it was due to injury of some kind; as far as I know, none of his descendants had similar problems. He had another five or six years of active life after the diagnosis, before passing away in his sleep at age 12.

We did a lot of wading/swimming. Cold water (cold in general) was a problem; in the winter months I managed to "arrange" access to a heated pool. No more long walks or runs on pavement, so we did a lot of cross-country walks. He actually became a pretty good upland game dog.
03-29-2014 02:48 PM
EmilyB I appreciate this information as well, since it is now looking like Carson has this, and it is not his knee that is the problem.
03-27-2014 10:46 PM
David Winners
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Originally Posted by Colie CVT View Post
We see this a lot, since I work for board certified veterinary surgeons lol.

Generally speaking, as far as just diagnosing without any kind of advanced imaging, they tend to push down over the length of the spine, looking for signs of pain and often pick up both of the dog's back legs to extend their back at LS to see if they get some kind of pain. They also likely would be looking for CP deficits and how her withdrawl and deep pain reflexes are working.

Since the spine ends before LS in dogs, they have just a bunch of nerves going through that area and it is easier to diagnose the condition with MRI rather than CT scan with contrast. It gives a better picture of soft tissue damage. LS disease generally seems to be more chronic than acute, slow in progression unless you get an additional disk (I swear we have had like 4 or 5 shepherds lately with upper lumbar disks in addition to LS) or if they really get themselves.

Treatment can be medications and rest, acupuncture, lazer, specific exercises and stretches, hydrotherapy, e-stim or lumbosacral decompession and potential fusion depending on the way that the joint works. The dogs we have put through surgery do seem to have a good recovery rate and return to being normal dogs within a few months. It does take a decent amount of rehabing though.

https://www.acvs.org/small-animal/in...l-disc-disease

That kind of goes over the general bit of it. It's technically IVDD but the location is unique compared with the other locations.
Thanks, I was hoping you would reply.

David Winners
03-27-2014 12:29 AM
Colie CVT We see this a lot, since I work for board certified veterinary surgeons lol.

Generally speaking, as far as just diagnosing without any kind of advanced imaging, they tend to push down over the length of the spine, looking for signs of pain and often pick up both of the dog's back legs to extend their back at LS to see if they get some kind of pain. They also likely would be looking for CP deficits and how her withdrawl and deep pain reflexes are working.

Since the spine ends before LS in dogs, they have just a bunch of nerves going through that area and it is easier to diagnose the condition with MRI rather than CT scan with contrast. It gives a better picture of soft tissue damage. LS disease generally seems to be more chronic than acute, slow in progression unless you get an additional disk (I swear we have had like 4 or 5 shepherds lately with upper lumbar disks in addition to LS) or if they really get themselves.

Treatment can be medications and rest, acupuncture, lazer, specific exercises and stretches, hydrotherapy, e-stim or lumbosacral decompession and potential fusion depending on the way that the joint works. The dogs we have put through surgery do seem to have a good recovery rate and return to being normal dogs within a few months. It does take a decent amount of rehabing though.

https://www.acvs.org/small-animal/in...l-disc-disease

That kind of goes over the general bit of it. It's technically IVDD but the location is unique compared with the other locations.
03-26-2014 11:43 PM
David Winners
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Originally Posted by Renofan2 View Post
Hi David: I just texted a friend in my Schutzhund club. Her dog has this and had surgery a few years ago. She will pm you tomorrow. The dog ended up getting her IPOII and III after surgery and rehab and is doing really well. Good luck. Hope her information helps you.
Thank you very much!
03-26-2014 11:42 PM
David Winners
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Originally Posted by gsdsar View Post
My first GSD had terrible issue with her LS. Not sure if it technically was Lumbosacral syndrome. Have never actually heard that term.

I kept Hanah lean, well muscled, and when needed on NSAIDS. The best thing you can do is keep her back and abdominals well muscled. One if the easiest exersises, put her on your bed, have her stand, then using your hands, lightly shove her side to side. It will force her to balance, using her stomach muscles. You can also teach her to balance on 2 Bosu balls. Keeping the stomach tight will support her back.

I don't think there is surgery for it. If it is what I think, it's arthritis in the Lumbosacral area. So right where the back and the tail meet.

Laser therapy, acupuncture, and underwater treadmill will also help a lot!!!

Good luck.


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It can be caused by several things. LS is a general term for pressure being placed on the nerves where they exit the spine by congenital defect or injury. The effectiveness of surgery is dependent on the cause.

It makes sense that core exercises will help. That is what I do for my own back.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions.

back to work...
03-26-2014 09:57 PM
jocoyn Well, I don't know but my dog had a disk extrusion injury (we think) and acupuncture helped him a LOT along with cold laser. I don't know whether or not it is the same thing but it was in the lumbo sacral region.
03-26-2014 09:40 PM
Renofan2 Hi David: I just texted a friend in my Schutzhund club. Her dog has this and had surgery a few years ago. She will pm you tomorrow. The dog ended up getting her IPOII and III after surgery and rehab and is doing really well. Good luck. Hope her information helps you.
03-26-2014 08:10 PM
hunterisgreat Lubrasyn & Adequan Shots?
03-26-2014 06:50 PM
Blitzkrieg1 Glad to hear your getting her back David. Hope it all works out.
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