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03-25-2014 03:45 PM
Springbrz
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Originally Posted by Traveler's Mom View Post
The Apoquel I mentioned previously is almost miraculous. It came on the market in 2013 so it remains to be seen if there's a downside down the road. However, Traveler was ripping himself up so I chose to go with this until his skin heals and I can get to the source of the problem. In other words, I'm using it for a short term fix. He had greasy skin but big dry flakes at the same time. He lost so much fur-not in patches, just thinned out all over. He should have had a big shed but really has not much undercoat to shed.

The doggie derm dr. thinks the food sensitivity testing was a waste of time (I didn't have results at the time of the appt.) and it's all environmental. He wanted me to sign off to have Traveler's back shaved and then do a 50 needle scratch test and see what happens. Nope-I don't think so, thank you very much. Maybe some day but at $1000 which is his quote, I will have to rule out a whole bunch of options before we go there and we won't be going to him.
Wow! $1000 for skin testing! Shoot, my daughter was skin tested last fall for dozens of food and about 50 environmental allergen and it was only around $600. Not that that is cheap.
I will be looking into Apoquel and consulting my vet about it in the near future. Thank you for the info on Apoquel. I had not heard of it before.
03-25-2014 03:36 PM
Springbrz
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I'm a firm believer that healthy dogs will not starve themselves, although the qualifier is 'healthy' & your poor girl currently isn't really healthy. Her picky habits are quite possibly due to the ongoing allergies & the feeling of general malaise she's constantly suffering.

However, do all that you can to curtail the fussiness. Dogs are largely creatures of habit. Picky food habits might endure past the time she's feeling better. Some suggestions are to try to feed her only when you know she's truly hungry. Also avoid feeding her when she's stressed or there are lots of distractions around. Try to encourage eating that isn't dependent on coaxing, pleading, begging, arguing etc. She will enjoy the parlay with you & may consider it part of the eating 'ritual'. Do not hang around while she's eating (or not eating) anxiously observing her, worrying & fretting. She will sense your emotional upset & is likely to stress in reaction to your feelings & concerns.

Remain focused on her issues which are food sensitivities & NOT disorders which impair her ability to absorb nutrients, regulate blood sugar etc. As such, getting a bit hungry (ie skipping a meal or 2 or 3) isn't going to do her any real harm. Naturally consult with your vet on all of this.

I had a Husky rescue once who made the funniest face I've ever seen when I put a bowl of kibble down for her. She looked at it with a reaction of utter horror. Seriously. She then literally stuck her nose in the air & turned her head a bit to the side clearly conveying her absolute disdain for what I considered 'food'. Da Vinci, my Irish Wolfhound, immediately offered to eat whatever she didn't want while I chuckled at her reaction & told her that I don't give a ratz patoot if a healthy adult dog chooses not to eat...In fact it's cheaper. Go for it. She had 4 hungry days before she deigned to nibble a bit of kibble. After that she ate normally & had a good appetite, too.

You will get her dietary restrictions under control & that will be so liberating for both of you. She will be feeling better & so will you. It's stressful now & won't be easy but it's good days up ahead for both of you.
Ahh.... you made me chuckle...Thank you! It is good advise you give. I will admit that often my compassion gets the better of me. When my lean pup show visible ribs I tend to give in to what ever it takes to get her to eat. I am well trained by her I'm sure.
03-25-2014 03:11 PM
Traveler's Mom The Apoquel I mentioned previously is almost miraculous. It came on the market in 2013 so it remains to be seen if there's a downside down the road. However, Traveler was ripping himself up so I chose to go with this until his skin heals and I can get to the source of the problem. In other words, I'm using it for a short term fix. He had greasy skin but big dry flakes at the same time. He lost so much fur-not in patches, just thinned out all over. He should have had a big shed but really has not much undercoat to shed.

The doggie derm dr. thinks the food sensitivity testing was a waste of time (I didn't have results at the time of the appt.) and it's all environmental. He wanted me to sign off to have Traveler's back shaved and then do a 50 needle scratch test and see what happens. Nope-I don't think so, thank you very much. Maybe some day but at $1000 which is his quote, I will have to rule out a whole bunch of options before we go there and we won't be going to him.
03-25-2014 03:06 PM
RubyTuesday
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I have always been a firm believer that a dog will not starve themselves unless they are ill.
I'm a firm believer that healthy dogs will not starve themselves, although the qualifier is 'healthy' & your poor girl currently isn't really healthy. Her picky habits are quite possibly due to the ongoing allergies & the feeling of general malaise she's constantly suffering.

However, do all that you can to curtail the fussiness. Dogs are largely creatures of habit. Picky food habits might endure past the time she's feeling better. Some suggestions are to try to feed her only when you know she's truly hungry. Also avoid feeding her when she's stressed or there are lots of distractions around. Try to encourage eating that isn't dependent on coaxing, pleading, begging, arguing etc. She will enjoy the parlay with you & may consider it part of the eating 'ritual'. Do not hang around while she's eating (or not eating) anxiously observing her, worrying & fretting. She will sense your emotional upset & is likely to stress in reaction to your feelings & concerns.

Remain focused on her issues which are food sensitivities & NOT disorders which impair her ability to absorb nutrients, regulate blood sugar etc. As such, getting a bit hungry (ie skipping a meal or 2 or 3) isn't going to do her any real harm. Naturally consult with your vet on all of this.

I had a Husky rescue once who made the funniest face I've ever seen when I put a bowl of kibble down for her. She looked at it with a reaction of utter horror. Seriously. She then literally stuck her nose in the air & turned her head a bit to the side clearly conveying her absolute disdain for what I considered 'food'. Da Vinci, my Irish Wolfhound, immediately offered to eat whatever she didn't want while I chuckled at her reaction & told her that I don't give a ratz patoot if a healthy adult dog chooses not to eat...In fact it's cheaper. Go for it. She had 4 hungry days before she deigned to nibble a bit of kibble. After that she ate normally & had a good appetite, too.

You will get her dietary restrictions under control & that will be so liberating for both of you. She will be feeling better & so will you. It's stressful now & won't be easy but it's good days up ahead for both of you.
03-25-2014 01:43 PM
Springbrz
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Originally Posted by wyoung2153 View Post
The same reason NV Raw diets don't just have the protein the say.. salmon oil, turkey organs.. I'm sure you read.. that was infuriating to me. I was forced to get the organic chicken which is much more expensive.. thank goodness he had no reaction to chicken. He just doesnt like chicken as much.. we're working on that.

And yeah when you posted the test it really got me thinking if Titan was allergic to more because we only tested 20 ingredients.. we didn't do environment either.. wouldn't be surprise me if we do it anyways either..

but you're finding stuff and others have too.. we're all here to share what works for us and hopefully we can learn from each other.


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Amen to that! I am so thankful to you and all the others that have helped me by sharing what you know or have learned. I can only hope that in the future I can be helpful with what I have learned with new/old members alike.
Today is going to be bath day...I hope it helps relieve the dry skin and itching some as Ziva's itching is driving me crazy so it can't be comfortable for her at all....poor baby
03-24-2014 09:12 PM
wyoung2153
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Originally Posted by Springbrz View Post

The fats/oils seem to hinder me. Why do LID Lamb treats need pork fat. Why couldn't the just use lamb fat or a vegetable oil.
The same reason NV Raw diets don't just have the protein the say.. salmon oil, turkey organs.. I'm sure you read.. that was infuriating to me. I was forced to get the organic chicken which is much more expensive.. thank goodness he had no reaction to chicken. He just doesnt like chicken as much.. we're working on that.

And yeah when you posted the test it really got me thinking if Titan was allergic to more because we only tested 20 ingredients.. we didn't do environment either.. wouldn't be surprise me if we do it anyways either..

but you're finding stuff and others have too.. we're all here to share what works for us and hopefully we can learn from each other.


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03-24-2014 08:21 PM
Springbrz
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Originally Posted by wyoung2153 View Post
Yes.. and you never think about that until your dog is allergic to peas... Which Titan is.. peas were on his list of allergens.
Makes me wonder what else our pups may be sensitive to that wasn't tested for. We haven't tested for environmental allergens. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point down the road we'll need to.

Coconut oil has been helpful. We've been fortunate that the only place itching has cause open wounds is in the armpits. I put coconut oil on the sores to help heal them. Ziva gets a full body rub/massage every morning with coconut oil. If I'm lucky I get her eat a good tsp of it as well.

We haven't been prescribe any meds other than benadryl. But, we haven't really been to the vet recently, either. I did NutriScan test on my own.

We've been lucky that other than the constant itching there hasn't been to many open sores or any hair loss. She doesn't smell bad, her skin tends to be dry and flaky. Her feet do get that "stale fritos" smell. I keep her ears clean with ACV and we have been lucky to not have any ear infections.

I've been able to find a few treats so far. Merrick's beef lung and lamb lung (we've always fed these); Plato's duck treats and Zuke's Zfillets beef treats all seem ok. I thought Nature's Variety LID lamb and carrot treats were ok. but, I just reread the ingredients and they have pork fat in them.

The fats/oils seem to hinder me. Why do LID Lamb treats need pork fat. Why couldn't the just use lamb fat or a vegetable oil.

@Oliver's mom...thank you for sharing your story with us. Glad to hear there is light at the end of the tunnel.
03-24-2014 05:14 PM
wyoung2153
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Originally Posted by Traveler's Mom View Post
I'd like to ask about peas. It seems lots of no grain foods are using pea in one form or another.
Yes.. and you never think about that until your dog is allergic to peas... Which Titan is.. peas were on his list of allergens.
03-24-2014 04:40 PM
Traveler's Mom Traveler is sensitive to potato (white and sweet), rice, wheat,corn,soy, barley,lentil,millet,oatmeal,quinoa and rice.

I don't think there is a single treat or food out there without one of these in it.

You guys were commenting on flax not being on the test list. I'd like to ask about peas. It seems lots of no grain foods are using pea in one form or another.
03-24-2014 03:52 PM
Oliver'smom
Been there, it is normal to feel overwhelmed!

We did the Nutriscan test for Oliver's allergies and it came back with so many that it was easier to list the things that were ok than the really long bad list. In addition he has some environmental allergies too.

I remember feeling super daunted, like he was never going to be able to be a normal puppy and his care was going to put us over the top financially, physically and mentally. There were a couple really rough months and many vet visits. It seemed a never ending cycle of scratching, infections, drugs, side effects and seeing a lot of Vets.

Here are a few things that have helped us and now at 11 months, I feel like we are in a good spot and life with the dog will be just fine.

1. Coconut oil- has omega 3's and 6's like fish oil, but likely won't have the same allergic reaction. There is a link somewhere on the forum to the weight/teaspoon formula. I think it is like 1/2 tsp. for each 15 lbs. At 80 lbs. Ollie gets 1.5 tsp with each meal. Has really helped his coat and skin and his coat looks awesome right now.

2. We tried a number of treats/food and went through a phase where he wouldn't eat and was dropping weight. Even hand feeding lamb roast didn't work. Right now we are using Nature's Balance LID sweet potato and venison. It is working for us and he likes it- wolfs it down actually which I thought would never happen. We have tired Nature's Variety LID and Royal Canin brands but this one works best for us and is a decent price. I also like real meat dog food/treats (actual brand name which make it hard to search for because you get a lot of search results. Look for a green bag for beef, purpose for lamb, and reddish for venison to know you found the right thing). It is essential a LID food or treat because is it a protein source and usually pumpkin. Zukes also has a grain free treat that is either beef or lamb with potato and apple.

3. Teething and the need to chew was hard because we needed something limited ingredient too. I got creative with what we put in the kong instead of peanut butter (Like canned version of LID food, banana, apple slices, ice chips). Also lamb and cow ears worked well and that we could avoid all the ingredients in other types of chews.

4. I'm sure your veterinarian has prescribed a number or drugs. I know some on this forum are more holistic. We were willing to try about about anything to stop the constant scratching & bloody scabs of our pup. Prednisone worked, but has side effects and isn't a long-term solution. We didn't have good luck with the following: benadryl, zyertec, hydroxyzine, cyclosporine. We have been doing really well for the past 5 weeks on a brand new drug called apoquel. It is pretty new on the market, but has returned our pup to a normal dog without the side effects we had with some of the other drugs.

5. Shampoos/baths- I found Oliver's skin is happiest and he doesn't keep infections from yeast or staff when he scratches if he has a bath every other week. We use aroma paws sensitive skin formula. It doesn't have an over the top scent and is seems to sooth better than the prescription cholorhexi shampoo we tried.

Allergies are super hard on you and the dog. My husband was so frustrated he was ready to send Oliver back to the breeder. I felt I had to be super positive for the dog and to keep my husband in check, but I didn't hand anyone but this forum to break down to (because non-dog people think you are nuts when you are spending more on dog food than your food). BUT we stuck it out and now it is pretty much just the usually annoying stuff any young dog would do. Message me if I can be of any help on explaining what has worked for us.
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