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03-15-2014 08:42 PM
Packen I love the flip finish and the FCI about turn, trained both my dogs that way. Here is a good example of the finished product at the highest levels.

Jozef Adamu??in & Chris spod Lazov FCI 2013 - YouTube
03-15-2014 08:20 PM
lhczth My first 4 dogs did the around finish. I have done the flip with my last 4. I like the flash so the flip I teach takes awhile to get accuracy. I accept the chance for point loss because when done right it looks great. I am also teach the flip to my pup.
03-15-2014 07:04 PM
TheJakel Right,

He's nailing the traditional finish right now... so for now I'll just keep it up and then later think about adding the flip.

I like your point Ihczth on the number of errors and from what I've seen posted here it does like there is more of a chance for error in the flip. And I'll probably be thinking about what I'm doing more the first few times trialing. Its also good to know there isn't a bias from a juding standpoint for one method over the other.
03-14-2014 10:01 PM
Baillif It takes like three sessions to train and maybe a few more than that to finish.
03-14-2014 08:34 PM
lhczth I happen to like the flip, BUT it is the one most likely to be done incorrectly by the dog and can take the longest to teach. I would go with the other where the dog goes behind the handler. In the IPO3 there are 5 finishes so 5 chances to lose points. For your first dog I would attempt to decrease those chances.
03-14-2014 10:18 AM
ayoitzrimz I wonder why not teach both? I like to have at least 2 commands from the front position as it is. Helps the dog from anticipating the next command.

Teach both, using some other command for the one you like least. Then see how he does - you have plenty of time to figure out which is better for you and your dog so why not? Plus you'll learn how to teach both, an added tool to your kit
03-14-2014 09:06 AM
NancyJ I don't train in Schutzhund but have had a police master trainer tell me that for real world obedience, he wants a flip finish.

They are not as much concerned about the level of precision though. He just said he never wanted the lead going around his back. I guess in competition they are not using a lead.
03-14-2014 08:26 AM
Liesje As long as it looks correct, I like either. I've done Rally in the past so my dogs all learn both. For Schutzhund I typically use the traditional finish (same for left turns). Even at a high level I think it's rare to see a nice flip finish that doesn't have a dog adjusting and/or some subtle handler help. I know I have a tendency to do it myself when doing the flip finish.
03-14-2014 08:17 AM
vomlittlehaus The go around works well and brings the dog into position. If your dog gets distracted when behind you, a flip would be better. It keeps eye contact between you and the dog. So your training is always geard in the direction you need to go for you and your dog, not what others do with their dogs.
03-14-2014 08:10 AM
robk I actually like the way the traditional German style around the back looks better. However, my dog forged hard to right and we had a hard time with left turns. So I spent a lot of time teaching him to move his rear and taught him the flip as a training exercise to move his rear and not forge on the left turns. We ended up sticking with the flip because of this. Does it look as pretty? No but he learned to move his rear end.
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