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03-15-2014 12:39 PM
Rexy Some show lines do have strong defence drive where defence hasn't been bred out of the line to the degree that it has in some working lines bred for extreme prey (sporting) drive. Show line dogs capable of protection are generally on the sharp side and over reactive which limits their user in protection roles.
03-10-2014 09:03 PM
Blitzkrieg1 Keep us updated on your puppy and how he develops.
03-10-2014 07:44 PM
Nigel
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Originally Posted by LoveEcho View Post
This is an interesting POV. I am extremely comfortable with a weapon (I shoot daily and used to shoot competitively) and I carry wherever I go. I have unfortunately been in a situation where I did have to draw my weapon in self defense, and I would not be here today had I been unable to do that. However, I agree that my dog is still my best deterrent, if solely for the fact that his senses are much sharper than mine.

As you said, he can alert me before I'd even know a threat was there. Most Joe Schmoe muggers, rapists will be deterred solely by a barking GSD... so I think in that sense, a dog does de-escalate the situation faster, because in 90% of cases, it stops the situation before it starts and buys you some time and space. If the attacker means business and is not deterred by a large shepherd who is alerting (and at that point, the attacker is probably very armed), the dog at least buys me time to think and prepare.

Crackem, everything you said is spot-on... there are so many scenarios where a dog would be a deterrent, so many where a dog wouldn't... so many where a gun would be, and so many where a gun wouldn't...
In terms of REAL PPD's, the fine line where a dog has to know more than to bark/look scary, it's debatable how effective that is- especially because there are do few dogs who can appropriately perform that job. Day to day, though, some creep on the street isn't going to say, "that dog is a showline, I'll bet his handler is an easy target."


True! but picturing this made me laugh.
03-10-2014 07:33 PM
Germanshepherdlover2507 Wow thanks guys! You all gave me more information Than I expected to get. I loved all of your posts. Im so glad to hear that SL gsd's can be just as good as WL.
love you all
03-10-2014 07:32 PM
Liesje No kidding, people use to cross the street when they saw Kenya.....Kenya was 21" tall, 50lbs, not heavy-boned. Other than the pointy ears and black muzzle she's probably the most UNintimidating looking GSD ever! But most of the general public knows a GSD when they see one.
03-10-2014 05:38 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by onyx'girl View Post
This is true, and I've witnessed certain people are very intimidated by the breed. They have no clue to the lineage, but do know that those 'police' dogs can detect drugs and weapons, so they take a wide berth or avoid the breed at all costs.
LOL, good point!
03-10-2014 04:41 PM
onyx'girl
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Originally Posted by lhczth View Post
Dogs for me are an alarm and a deterrent. My gun is for saving my life. Most people do not open carry and brandishing a weapon is illegal. The nice thing about the dogs is that they are out in the open, visible making them a far greater deterrent.

I want to add. John Doe criminal most often does not know the difference between working and show lines. They see a GSD.
This is true, and I've witnessed certain people are very intimidated by the breed. They have no clue to the lineage, but do know that those 'police' dogs can detect drugs and weapons, so they take a wide berth or avoid the breed at all costs.
03-10-2014 04:27 PM
LoveEcho
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Thanks, LoveEcho. I really have nothing against weapons, I just don't care about them one way or the other. Like I said, the main issue with using one if I were to get into them is that I spend 9+ hours a day, 5 days a week (and often return evenings and weekends to train) on a campus where I'd never be able to carry a weapon, so for the majority of my waking life it would not be a reliable form of protection. I've thankfully never been in a position where a weapon would have helped or been necessary, and in contrast I have been shot at twice (one intentional, one a mistake that was very near deadly and had to involve the state police from two different states). So, anecdotally speaking, my dog has always been the more appropriate and effective form of protection. Ideally, I think both are best, I've just chosen not to have the responsibility of owning and learning to properly use a weapon.
And too many people who shouldn't own them aren't as aware of that reality like you are... the most dangerous thing to do is carry a gun and not be comfortable with it. In that sense, for many people, a dog is 100% more effective. And, at that rate, it doesn't matter if the dog is WL or SL. There are freaky people out there who are crazy and a dog, or gun, won't matter- either way, you're screwed. But in general, for most "worst case" scenarios... a dog's presence will stop it before it begins. And, all that aside, there are plenty of examples of SL, SL/WL, etc who would kick butt and take names (including Nikon).

If it ever gets to a point where a dog needs to do more than be a deterrent, the kind of dog required to be effective is not at all easy to come by...from any lines.
03-10-2014 03:27 PM
Liesje Thanks, LoveEcho. I really have nothing against weapons, I just don't care about them one way or the other. Like I said, the main issue with using one if I were to get into them is that I spend 9+ hours a day, 5 days a week (and often return evenings and weekends to train) on a campus where I'd never be able to carry a weapon, so for the majority of my waking life it would not be a reliable form of protection. I've thankfully never been in a position where a weapon would have helped or been necessary, and in contrast I have been shot at twice (one intentional, one a mistake that was very near deadly and had to involve the state police from two different states). So, anecdotally speaking, my dog has always been the more appropriate and effective form of protection. Ideally, I think both are best, I've just chosen not to have the responsibility of owning and learning to properly use a weapon.
03-10-2014 02:59 PM
RocketDog Anecdotal story: Last summer, the dog and I were running down a country highway as usual. Big open fields on either side, there is a pass to the south, so high ridges on either side = lots of wild life. Suspicious truck decides to slow down as it passes us, then turn around, pass again going opposite direction. Tinted windows so I can't see who's driving, but to be stereotypical, it's a big, lifted black dodge with giant tires, so I'm guessing it's not a chick who wants to ask me about my running tights.

Truck turns around again, goes by me slowly, then pulls off the road about 100 ft ahead, blocking my passing. I see the passenger door open. Rocket gets alert, but the movement of the door spooks a bunch of deer up from the meadow there, just beyond the truck (behind them, from our POV). They start bounding away, so Rocket starts this high prance, head high, tail out and up, and a big WOOF. It's almost dusk, the dudes don't see the deer. That door shut fast and the truck basically spun out and raced down the highway.

*shrug* I'll take it. I've been shooting since I was 8 years old, I own a 10 gauge, a Winchester .30-30 my dad gave me, and a S&W .45. I'd go target shooting with anyone here. I suppose I could get a thigh strap to carry it running, but I prefer the dog.
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