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03-11-2014 05:19 PM
David Taggart I don't think he understands that "Stay" means waiting. Don't use "Stay" command, just "Stand", "Sit" or "Down" for a period of shorter than 5 minutes. Tether your dog to a tree, ask him to sit, make a few steps backwards, but return to him every time he gets up and ask "Sit" again. Do the same with stand and "Down". When you achieve this, and see that he is comfortable with you going some distance away from him by doing steps backwards and returning forwards to treat him, introduce a double command "Sit! Stay!". This time don't just walk backwards, but walk away and around the tree, make the distance and time of him waiting longer some days later. When you achieved this, do it off leash at the same tree, then anywhere you like. Dogs are not that flexible about environments if they are trained mainly indoors. Walk him to new places more often, discover areas around, and train commands in the way.I'm not a fun of using treats for already learned commands outside, your stroke on his neck and verbal "Good boy!" should be enough. Otherwise, you know, what may happen if you run out of treats? Back home? Forget about walking and training?
03-11-2014 04:36 PM
Bequavious Yay!!
03-11-2014 02:02 PM
Zeeva
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Love ya folks. It's always great to learn new things from great people like you. Today Jackie my boy, obeyed outside (though for a little while) for the very first time and I'm overjoyed

I did a few things, wonder what worked. I changed the time, took pieces of raw meat instead of kibble plus Jack's favorite toy. On top of that, I started from scratch as if he doesn't know any commands... Thanks again, everyone!
Awee...I think it's time for a detailed post in the "brag" section!

Zeeva was the same way...

Keep at it!
03-11-2014 01:59 PM
eliyah Love ya folks. It's always great to learn new things from great people like you. Today Jackie my boy, obeyed outside (though for a little while) for the very first time and I'm overjoyed

I did a few things, wonder what worked. I changed the time, took pieces of raw meat instead of kibble plus Jack's favorite toy. On top of that, I started from scratch as if he doesn't know any commands... Thanks again, everyone!
03-09-2014 01:52 AM
OriginalWacky Your dog isn't being defiant outside, he simply hasn't learned that the same 'rules' apply. I made a post in this thread about teaching a dog to follow instructions in other places that may help out a bit.
03-07-2014 04:12 PM
Chip18
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train where the behaviour is needed .
This and try and find better treats.

You're on the right track but something got tweaked and now he's "learning" that he doesn't need to listen to you outside the house.

You have to make whatever it is you want him to do more interesting, than what he wants to do!

Train someplace else preferably not a dog park! And if his recall is suspect never allow him off leash! Get a longline if you need to.

You could train car proofing, it will aso focus him on you. My guys don't get out of the car until I release them, there door open they don't move until I release them.

Put him in the car say Stay, open the door...if he jumps out, bad dog back in the car and stay! When he steps out on release then treat. Repeat as needed!

I bet he'll figure out the pattern real quick!

Oh and not really any need for corrections a bad dog and back in the car will get the message across!
03-07-2014 03:43 PM
Bequavious
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Thanks for the great suggestions, I've been trying for the last 40 days or so... and have tried most of things you guys mentioned... Like I take his favorite toy and treats with me when we go out, the session is short and fun... and as I said his focus is always on me. I'll keep trying though
If his focus is on you, as you say, I wonder if he isn't understanding what you are asking for? Dogs do need help generalizing behaviors sometimes, so if he's paying attention (the struggle for most pups in a new location) but not doing what you say, he either doesn't understand or isn't motivated. If he doesn't understand, you can go back to the beginning (hey we learned "sit" inside, now we're going to learn it from the beginning again in the yard and at the park and at home depot!) so he learns that "sit" means sit everywhere you go.

If he understands and is focused, he may not be motivated. Overcoming scary (I already feel vulnerable in this new place and if I lay down I won't be able to run away as quickly) and uncomfortable (You want me to put my sensitive butt furs down on this cold wet pavement?) things requires a lot more motivation and some baby steps. Try doing some very simple behaviors in a new place to help your pup relax and get into "working" mode. Hand targeting is a good one and my dog also likes tug and spin. If she won't tug with me, I know she's not comfortable and that she probably won't be able to do any more difficult behaviors until she relaxes.

I do find that very smelly real meat treat rewards work best in tough circumstances, but my pup also went through a stage where she wouldn't accept any kind of food treat outside of our home/backyard.
03-07-2014 02:52 PM
boomer11 You need to rethink how you train. It needs to be so much fun and exciting that the pup thinks it's a game. If the pup thinks of training as a game then he'll willingly do it anywhere because it's play.

Right now when you let the pup outside he's thinking "mom makes me train inside so when I'm outside I want to play!". The pup should be thinking "wow we get to play this fun sit, down, stay game inside and outside!"

Make it fun and engaging for the pup and he'll start listening. Btw an earlier post said he's only 9 months give it time and I disagree with that. That's an excuse. A 9 month pup should be able to sit down stay outside with distance at that age. The tricky part is to have the pup willingly do it instead of having to make him do it.
03-07-2014 01:30 PM
Lilie
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. and as I said his focus is always on me. I'll keep trying though
No, his focus isn't on you if he isn't listening to you.
03-07-2014 01:29 PM
eliyah Thanks for the great suggestions, I've been trying for the last 40 days or so... and have tried most of things you guys mentioned... Like I take his favorite toy and treats with me when we go out, the session is short and fun... and as I said his focus is always on me. I'll keep trying though
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