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03-27-2014 01:19 PM
Msmaria
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Originally Posted by VTGirlT View Post
Wow glad you found something that works for him!

Aw you're such a good mama! Thats so cute he enjoy it so much, at least you know how to reward him with something or to calm him down too! So sweet

Zelda gets massages once in a while.
The only time i noticed Zelda was getting really sore and laid down was when she went crazy running as fast as possible and stopping quickly (If your an HD mom you know how bad of an idea that is...) We took my sisters dog and mine for a walk off leash and oh boy, not doing that again! Was too much on her hips.. I think the difference is, she wasn't going at HER pace which is so important, especially with the sudden stops, those are so bad on her hips..
But in general she is doing and great, and she also loves a good massage!
Oh ya also got this big orthopedic bed for Zelda finally yay!
Ha ha, oh yeah off leash is wild, especially with 2 dogs. I'm really glad to hear Zelda is doing better. The ortho bed should help alot. Dexter uses it, unless it gets warm here in CA and then, I've noticed he will lie on the cool floor. Sometimes I lie down with him on the orthopeadic bed..lol. Only my head and arms fit if he's on there lol. Yes as a HD mom I know we hate to see our guys even in a little amount of pain. Dexter likes to run fast too. Especially playing with other dogs, they jump on each other and wrestle. I think I'm going to do another xray soon to see how much worse its gotten ( was 6 months old when xrayed and diagnosed). I know Zelda was young too, I feel like our dogs have a lot in common in regards to the HD. Thank you for posting about the traumeel and zeel for us to try.
03-27-2014 03:07 AM
Momto2GSDs
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Originally Posted by Msmaria View Post
Just wanted to update. We haven't used tramadol since starting the zeel earlier this month. He definitely has more spring in his step and if it wasnt for his bunny hop when running, he doesn't show any other symptoms. I really hope it keeps working for him. We are still doing the glucosamine pills and fish oil.

Now if I can just stop him from jumping around so much

On another note. He loves his massages so much that if I stop he starts whining and lifts his head to look at me, as if to ask why I stopped. The minute I start up again he does this little groan and flops his head back down.

How is Zelda doing?
This is FANTASTIC news!
I am so glad he is doing better and the Zeel is working!
If my dogs read your post......they'd leave me to live with you!

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Originally Posted by VTGirlT View Post
Wow glad you found something that works for him!

Aw you're such a good mama! Thats so cute he enjoy it so much, at least you know how to reward him with something or to calm him down too! So sweet

Zelda gets massages once in a while.
The only time i noticed Zelda was getting really sore and laid down was when she went crazy running as fast as possible and stopping quickly (If your an HD mom you know how bad of an idea that is...) We took my sisters dog and mine for a walk off leash and oh boy, not doing that again! Was too much on her hips.. I think the difference is, she wasn't going at HER pace which is so important, especially with the sudden stops, those are so bad on her hips..
But in general she is doing and great, and she also loves a good massage!
Oh ya also got this big orthopedic bed for Zelda finally yay!
GREAT idea!
I'll bet she LOVES her new bed and gives a happy little groan every time she cuddles up in it!

Moms
03-26-2014 09:19 PM
VTGirlT
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Originally Posted by Msmaria View Post
Just wanted to update. We haven't used tramadol since starting the zeel earlier this month. He definitely has more spring in his step and if it wasnt for his bunny hop when running, he doesn't show any other symptoms. I really hope it keeps working for him. We are still doing the glucosamine pills and fish oil.

Now if I can just stop him from jumping around so much

On another note. He loves his massages so much that if I stop he starts whining and lifts his head to look at me, as if to ask why I stopped. The minute I start up again he does this little groan and flops his head back down.

How is Zelda doing?
Wow glad you found something that works for him!

Aw you're such a good mama! Thats so cute he enjoy it so much, at least you know how to reward him with something or to calm him down too! So sweet

Zelda gets massages once in a while.
The only time i noticed Zelda was getting really sore and laid down was when she went crazy running as fast as possible and stopping quickly (If your an HD mom you know how bad of an idea that is...) We took my sisters dog and mine for a walk off leash and oh boy, not doing that again! Was too much on her hips.. I think the difference is, she wasn't going at HER pace which is so important, especially with the sudden stops, those are so bad on her hips..
But in general she is doing and great, and she also loves a good massage!
Oh ya also got this big orthopedic bed for Zelda finally yay!
03-25-2014 05:56 PM
Msmaria Just wanted to update. We haven't used tramadol since starting the zeel earlier this month. He definitely has more spring in his step and if it wasnt for his bunny hop when running, he doesn't show any other symptoms. I really hope it keeps working for him. We are still doing the glucosamine pills and fish oil.

Now if I can just stop him from jumping around so much

On another note. He loves his massages so much that if I stop he starts whining and lifts his head to look at me, as if to ask why I stopped. The minute I start up again he does this little groan and flops his head back down.

How is Zelda doing?
03-10-2014 08:15 PM
Momto2GSDs
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Originally Posted by VTGirlT View Post
Clearly you know what you are talking about! I will defiantly remember this! Maybe i wont put her on Zeel than, if the traumeel is doing her good anyways.
Do you know of anything to help her food allergies (being itchy) momto2gsds? She is on bendryl and clariton.. and she is still itchy (not as bad when she does not take them) She is on fish oil.
Since she has HD I think the Zeel would benefit her too, as it contains different remedies specifically for aching bones/joints and disc problems, where the Traumel is more for tendon/muscle issues.

"Do you know of anything to help her food allergies (being itchy)?"
Oh golly, there are SO many things you can try! You just never know what is going to "click" with any particular dog. I'll list two.

*Have you considered SeaVive for the allergies? Several dogs on here have seen great improvement, including my own dogs' "fungus" spot! (info below)

*Another thing you could try is a combination of Quercetin, Bromelain & Papin. The Quercetin is a Bio-flavanoid with anti-inflamatory and anti-oxidant properties. They call it the "nature's Benedryl"! And two proteolytic enzymes, Bromelain (derived from pineapple) & Papin (derived from papaya) increases the absorption of Quercetin and they also suppress histamine production.
The following are professional, high quality products. Give a large dog half of the human dose, but start with small doses and work up so as not to cause possible gut upset. Quercetin: http://www.pureformulas.com/quercetin-300-60-vegetarian-capsules-by-allergy-research-group.html
Bromelain/Papain: http://pureformulas.com/bromelain-papain-60-capsules-by-professional-formulas.html

SeaVive Information:
(SeaVive is a combination of SeaCURE, Colostrum, Beta Glucan, and Vitamin C)
IMMUNE SYSTEM MISSION: Prevent disease and infection
“Mucous membranes that line body cavities open to the environment, such as those found in the nose and gut, house antibodies called immunoglobulins that ensnare pathogens and potential antigens encountered in daily life. Thus, mucous membranes function as the first step in the mission of the immune system to prevent disease and infection.
Toxic invaders that sneak by the mucosal barrier are met by white blood cells called macrophages, which by a process called phagocytosis literally digest and destroy invaders in the blood. Thus, macrophages become the body's inside line of defense responsible for seeking and indiscriminately destroying viruses, parasites, fungi, and bacteria.
Two new supplements aid and assist these defenses against disease and infection. They are Colostrum, which supplies critical immunoglobulins to block invaders at the level of the mucosal barrier, and Beta glucan, which stimulates the action of the macrophages to phagocytize invaders in the blood stream. A third supplement Seacure aids the immune system indirectly by correcting pathogenic bowel permeability to prevent hazards from passing through the gut membrane to infect internal organs. Finally, Vitamin C is well recognized for its immune-supportive properties. All four of these components are combined to produce the one-of-a-kind immune-booster ... SeaVive. About SeaVive” It is a terrific supplement for dog's with allergies due to its immune boosting properties."

About SeaVive
Or here: SeaVive 90 Capsules by Proper Nutrition

Also Coconut Oil will help itching along with a high quality "Named" Fish Oil: Coconut Oil should be, Organic, Virgin, No GMO's, No Hexane

*NutriScan Testing:

This test measures antibodies to certain foods in dog saliva. High antibody levels indicate that the dog has a food sensitivity and intolerance to that food or foods. Food intolerance or sensitivity is actually quite common whereas food allergy is rare. In fact, food intolerance is the third most common sensitivity condition in dogs and often can be easily remedied with a change in diet.Dr. Jean Dodds, NutriScan tests for the twenty most commonly ingested foods by dogs to provide you with specific results as to your dog's food intolerance's or sensitivities. Since it is a salivary test, you have the convenience to complete the test at home or at your veterinarian’s office. Best of all, you can have the results in approximately two weeks to help you put your dog on the right diet.
Remember, NutriScan is novel and patented and is not testing for food allergies, but rather tests for food sensitivities and intolerance. These are different body immune responses. Food allergy is a more immediate reaction mediated by production of IgE and IgG antibodies. Food sensitivity and intolerance, by contrast, measures a more delayed body response to offending foods by measuring production of IgA and IgM antibodies primarily in mucosal secretions from the bowel.”
NutriScan is split into two test panels, so you can order one or both. I’d order both.
Panel1: Beef, Corn, Wheat, Soy, Cow’s Milk, Lamb, Venison/Deer, Chicken, Turkey, White Fish.
Panel 2: Chicken Eggs, Barley, Millet, Oatmeal, Salmon, Rabbit, Rice, Quinoa, Potatoes, Peanuts/Peanut Butter.
$130 for one panel (10 antigens), $250 for two panels (20 antigens). Vet Allergy test cost about $500 for 20 antigens. Check this page for test differences: http://nutriscan.org/the-nutriscan-difference/nutriscan-vs-skin-patchskin-prick-testing.html
http://www.hemopet.org/nutriscan.html

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Originally Posted by Msmaria View Post
Oops I may have put some back into the bottle. this is good information to know. Thank you so much for posting for us.


Hope this helps!
Moms
03-10-2014 05:06 PM
VTGirlT
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Originally Posted by Momto2GSDs View Post
This is SOOOOO GREAT to hear! Thank you for sharing!

Just in case anyone would like to know the difference, I've described them below.
You would not want to give both at the same time as they contain some of the same remedies and some different ones. You can give one in the morning and one at night, if you like.

Both Zeel and Traumeel are made by a company called Heel:


ZEEL: Degenerative conditions like arthritis, spondylitis, disc disease. Heel,Zeel 100 Tablets -The Natural also here Zeel 100 Tablets by Heel BHI


TRAUMEEL: Inflammation of muscles, bone, soft tissue, tendon, ligaments, nerves. Heel, Traumeel 100 Tablets -The Natural

Make sure that this is given in "a clean mouth" (no food or water 20 minutes before or after dose) and that they dissolve. Some are tablets (which dissolve quickly), some are hard little pellets (which you need to dissolve in purified water before administering) and there is also a liquid (but most contain a portion of alcohol). Another thing with homeopathic's is that if you pour too many tablets out into your hand, do not return the extra ones to the bottle as this will "foul" the rest of the bottle. You can set them aside in a bowl to use for the next application.

Hope this helps!
Moms

Clearly you know what you are talking about! I will defiantly remember this! Maybe i wont put her on Zeel than, if the traumeel is doing her good anyways.
Do you know of anything to help her food allergies (being itchy) momto2gsds? She is on bendryl and clariton.. and she is still itchy (not as bad when she does not take them) She is on fish oil.
03-10-2014 04:18 PM
Msmaria
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Originally Posted by Momto2GSDs View Post
This is SOOOOO GREAT to hear! Thank you for sharing!

Just in case anyone would like to know the difference, I've described them below.
You would not want to give both at the same time as they contain some of the same remedies and some different ones. You can give one in the morning and one at night, if you like.

Both Zeel and Traumeel are made by a company called Heel:


ZEEL: Degenerative conditions like arthritis, spondylitis, disc disease. Heel,Zeel 100 Tablets -The Natural also here Zeel 100 Tablets by Heel BHI


TRAUMEEL: Inflammation of muscles, bone, soft tissue, tendon, ligaments, nerves. Heel, Traumeel 100 Tablets -The Natural

Make sure that this is given in "a clean mouth" (no food or water 20 minutes before or after dose) and that they dissolve. Some are tablets (which dissolve quickly), some are hard little pellets (which you need to dissolve in purified water before administering) and there is also a liquid (but most contain a portion of alcohol). Another thing with homeopathic's is that if you pour too many tablets out into your hand, do not return the extra ones to the bottle as this will "foul" the rest of the bottle. You can set them aside in a bowl to use for the next application.

Hope this helps!
Moms

Oops I may have put some back into the bottle. this is good information to know. Thank you so much for posting for us.
03-10-2014 01:47 PM
Momto2GSDs This is SOOOOO GREAT to hear! Thank you for sharing!

Just in case anyone would like to know the difference, I've described them below.
You would not want to give both at the same time as they contain some of the same remedies and some different ones. You can give one in the morning and one at night, if you like.

Both Zeel and Traumeel are made by a company called Heel:


ZEEL: Degenerative conditions like arthritis, spondylitis, disc disease. Heel,Zeel 100 Tablets -The Natural also here Zeel 100 Tablets by Heel BHI


TRAUMEEL: Inflammation of muscles, bone, soft tissue, tendon, ligaments, nerves. Heel, Traumeel 100 Tablets -The Natural

Make sure that this is given in "a clean mouth" (no food or water 20 minutes before or after dose) and that they dissolve. Some are tablets (which dissolve quickly), some are hard little pellets (which you need to dissolve in purified water before administering) and there is also a liquid (but most contain a portion of alcohol). Another thing with homeopathic's is that if you pour too many tablets out into your hand, do not return the extra ones to the bottle as this will "foul" the rest of the bottle. You can set them aside in a bowl to use for the next application.

Hope this helps!
Moms
03-10-2014 12:36 PM
Msmaria Yesterday was 2 days on the zeel. Havent received the traumeel yet. Took him to the dog park and he played for an hour, usually he plays for about 30 -40 mins before wanting to go home. I had to tell him lets go yesterday(although he did come and lay down for a few minutes in between).


One question does the zeel increade heart rate. I noticed he was a little warmer yesterday night, not sure if it was because it is so darn warm here in Cali or if it was because of the zeel. I will keep an eye on him tonight and let you know, but thought Id ask if anyone else noticed it with their dog.
03-08-2014 09:57 PM
brembo
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Originally Posted by Msmaria View Post
Also how do I know where the muscles are tense?
Poke around, common sense. It is really a great way to benchmark the dog too, having a whole lot of tensed up muscle is a precursor to something bigger going on. Going in great guns will make some dogs tense up(my male Cable will tense up his tummy muscles if I just dive in), so go slow and easy. My old guy Banjo would go limp when he realized I was going to massage, like a garbage bag full of oatmeal sort of limp. I could have poured him into a bucket.
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