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03-04-2014 11:11 AM
carmspack I recommended Fired Up, Frantic, and Freaked Out a week or so ago.

the dog is a nuisance barker getting aroused , behind the door , behind the window , getting frustrated, and being rewarded when the target of his energetic display walks away. "the Postman" syndrome. Dog thinks he is responsible for making him go away, when the reality is the postman is just doing his routine .
Great reinforcement for the behaviour. That is why you need to get the dog away from the window , being watchful in aniticpation.

You have created a behaviour set. Which you now need to fix , no question about it . Decisive .
03-04-2014 11:03 AM
carmspack so WRONG - wrong wrong wrong --- the dog perceives threat when there is NONE . No desirable .

"This is what the GSD was originally and what some enthusiasts are trying to keep alive. He perceives threat and wants to protect his territory and his family. Great."
03-04-2014 08:44 AM
glowingtoadfly Make sure it is you who is feeding the dog treats and that he stays below threshold with the door. You may have to start with just people walking by. Fired Up, Frantic, and Freaked Out is another good book to read. A good behaviorist who uses positive methods is your best bet, in my opinion. Training will also help. I agree that the strangers should not feed the cookies! My behaviorist said that that can easily put a dog over threshold.
03-04-2014 02:30 AM
Chip18 Get a trainer if your answer to these questions is no

Will the dog go to bed and stay there if told to do so when company comes over?

If the dog is behind you in the house and you open the front door will he wait till you release him before stepping out the door?
03-04-2014 02:27 AM
DaniFani
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Originally Posted by lawhyno View Post
I think what I'm saying is getting lost in translation...

A dog that is aggressive towards strangers entering it's territory (your home) is something that lots of people like in their dog. Of course, we all want a dog that is level headed in public and doesn't snap at random strangers when on walks or in crowded areas. But some people like dogs that show territorial behavior and aggression towards strangers approaching the home. That's all.

best.
No. Still disagree. A mailman approaching the house (same mailman that comes every flipping day), and a child ringing the doorbell are not appropriate to be lighting up and snapping at. GSDs were never meant to be junk yard dogs. You are describing a junk yard dog in all your explanations and expectations.

I don't want my dog to show aggression to anyone coming into my yard or house....nor do most "enthusiasts" of the breed. Let's give the intelligence of this breed a little credit. 99.99999% of the people coming into my yard and ringing my doorbell are non-threats, dog should know that. That doesn't mean they should be bounding down the drive for a good petting session, aloof and aware is what they should be. All the dogs I know trained in protection (in whatever form...police, sport, PP, etc) are expected to be neutral and aware.
03-04-2014 02:20 AM
DaniFani
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Originally Posted by lawhyno View Post
Gotta say, these are characteristics that lots of people want in their GSD. This is what the GSD was originally and what some enthusiasts are trying to keep alive. He perceives threat and wants to protect his territory and his family. Great. If your lifestyle isn't in need of that, then by all means neutralize the behavior or tone it down best you can. But it sounds like you have a good dog here. A dog like this needs some training and needs to look to you for the right moments when to express aggression. That can be done with the right trainer/training.
Good luck.
No...no.

GSD's, or any well bred utility working breed for that matter, should never be allowed to act like this. Nor is it something "enthusiasts" are trying to "keep alive." I see you bought a 6 month old in December...made a post about that dog and some concerns...then got another 12 month old in January...with lots of questions and concerns that lead me to believe you are not well versed in the expected aggressive tendencies of this breed. I only point this out because you are very quick to comment and make suggestions in threads about aggression problems.

OP should not be lead to believe that this type of behavior is a good or expected thing. Your observations and beliefs about what the breed "should be" is what leads to unreasonable fear from others in relation to this breed and any of the other breeds on most "breed restriction" lists. A nine year old child knocking at the door is not and is never a threat. Nor is a mailman...the same mailman that comes every. single. day. Or someone OP has invited into their house...doesn't matter if it's stranger to the dog, it's someone OP invited in.

Alertness, curiosity, attentiveness...these are things I expect. No barking, growling, hackles, etc...Especially in these types of situations. Now if someone is banging at my door, acting aggressively, creeping around my yard at night time, I hope my dog is barking while I'm getting the gun and calling police. TOTALLY different scenarios.

I agree with Carm, sounds like dog needs to be brought down a few pegs. What you are doing is a great start. I would also advise to get a trainer (specializes in aggression) asap, sounds like dog needs more structure. Who knows if it's nerves (>>"is freaked out by kid running at him"), or if it's just a dog that has gotten away with too much and is now hitting maturity and running the house. Only someone seeing the dog in person can make that assessment.

You've made some excuses for the behavior>>growled at the girl because he was aroused still from mailman....growling at people in the house because he's uncomfortable...none of those things are okay. I also hate it when people excuse aggression because "the owner could have been giving off stressful signals." While I believe dogs absolutely read our stress, I also think it's an excuse so easily jumped on when a dog is acting out inappropriately. I'm only being this blunt with you because this dog is giving you a LOT of warnings...sooner or later it's going to be a bite. I commend you for making him stay in a down when someones at the door...I just think you need further intervention from a professional in person. Good luck.
03-04-2014 01:27 AM
carmspack not acceptable . Get the dog away from the window, away from the door . Do not have strangers cookie the dog at the door . When you don't know what you are doing chances are high that you may actually reward unwanted behaviour.
Pooch needs to be taken down a peg or two. Get some basic obedience .
He is in an arousal state .
03-04-2014 01:05 AM
lawhyno I think what I'm saying is getting lost in translation...

A dog that is aggressive towards strangers entering it's territory (your home) is something that lots of people like in their dog. Of course, we all want a dog that is level headed in public and doesn't snap at random strangers when on walks or in crowded areas. But some people like dogs that show territorial behavior and aggression towards strangers approaching the home. That's all.

best.
03-04-2014 12:55 AM
boomer11
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Originally Posted by lawhyno View Post
Gotta say, these are characteristics that lots of people want in their GSD. This is what the GSD was originally and what some enthusiasts are trying to keep alive. He perceives threat and wants to protect his territory and his family. Great. If your lifestyle isn't in need of that, then by all means neutralize the behavior or tone it down best you can. But it sounds like you have a good dog here. A dog like this needs some training and needs to look to you for the right moments when to express aggression. That can be done with the right trainer/training.
Good luck.
aggression towards strangers is a trait lots of people want? thats ridiculous
03-04-2014 12:52 AM
lawhyno
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Originally Posted by my boy diesel View Post
a child is not a threat nor is mail delivery
he is responding inappropriately and not listening to his owners who are saying even with their body language
this is not a threat

of course if owners are nervous and giving off that scent and body language the dog is misinterpreting it

a dog should be able to trust its owner to make the decision as to whom is a threat and who isnt

this owner owner needs to take reigns back from dog and soon

obedience obedience obedience!!
True. I agree with you. I think there needs to be some handler/owner tweaking here. They need to look to the owner before reacting like that. That's why i mentioned some type of trainer/training that can teach this to the dog.

Good luck.
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