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03-06-2014 08:39 AM
Kayos and Havoc Exactly. Sometimes we do this to ourselves.

In our case, we moved from Oregon, bought our home and promptly put up a 6 foot privacy fence. We also had a dog run built in the yard attached to the garage so the dogs could be contained while we were at work and have access to the garage for shelter. In Orgone we had a pet sitter that came at lunch to let the dogs out for awhile. No such luck here so we had to do the run.

We also have a padlock on our gate. Why? So it is not inadvertently opened as we cannot see it from the house.

We just want to keep our dogs safe but I bet the neighbor sees fortress for aggressive dogs.

We have discussed this with them, we even asked if they would have a problem with a privacy fence (which is irreleevant since it was on my property), which they did not. How they knew about the padlocked gate is a mystery as it is on the far side of the house and no where in their line of sihjt unless they were on my property. I suspect they were chasing one of their loose dogs around my house and saw it.

Sorry they feel that way but they are idiots. We now have cameras all over the property too just for them. Their dogs kept us awake last night, poor things were out in the rain.

Taking care of our dogs for their safety is important.
03-05-2014 08:31 PM
Mocha
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Originally Posted by Kayos and Havoc View Post

I posted about Kayos' escape and my neighbor kicking her and being afraid of my dogs. I think one reason he may be afraid is that we are so vigilant about them. His wife even told me one day they were afraid of them because of how we present them.

I agree with this completely. I was just pondering this the other night when I was walking Reagan. I'm trying to teach him to ignore other people on walks, and he was doing so well until we crossed the street at the same time as another man and Reagan reached his head across to sniff him. I grabbed his head so quickly that the man must have thought he was about to bite him, not sniff him..
03-05-2014 08:28 PM
Mocha
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Originally Posted by A girl and her dog View Post
After reading through, I wanted to add some. As the owner of a GSD/mix, even a MIX, he looks more like a GSD than anything he's mixed with, I know how the breed is perceived. When we talk about bully breeds and public perception, we have to understand that the general public includes GSD's. They include Dobermans, Mastiffs, Huskies, Chow Chows, Cane Corsos; lots of breeds that don't have "bull" in the name of the breed. The public perceives any dog that has been used in any aggressive training or guarding to be a bully-breed.
That is exactly what I was inferring, thank you for explaining it in a better way for me!
03-05-2014 08:23 PM
Mocha It is interesting to note that as I was trying to find the link for that article, I found a Facebook Group called "Titan the Bull Bonfa is a Fraud"... it didn't have any information on it but it appears to be a page dedicated to point out story inconsistencies of the owner (home, not home, etc). Oh and a lot of angry comments from a handful of people saying the owner just wants money.

People sure are interesting.
03-05-2014 08:15 PM
Mocha Here's the Facebook Page

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Titan...37593229761306

Just a warning, (not to be mean, but...) the owner seems to lack a professional vocabulary.
03-05-2014 08:13 PM
Mocha Got it, on YourErie

Dog Owner Speaks Out After Police Shoot and Kill Her Dog - YourErie.com - Powered by JET 24 and FOX 66 Erie PA

According to the video, some neighbors also say it is often loose and appears aggressive.

Video also says the owner was upstairs sleeping when it happened.

Phew, this story is all over the place.
03-05-2014 08:09 PM
Mocha
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Post the link? I think you actually legally have to as you have to properly quote and give credit for the article.

I've had five exams this week, including one tomorrow and Friday and simply copied what was posted to Facebook to be time efficient, was not aware I would be questioned for legal issues on a dog forum or maybe thought for tampering? I'll post it when I can find it.

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Just look at that article...reports of dog being aggressive and SOME neighbors say that isn't the case. All about who you choose to believe at this point. I don't think people would've called the police if the dog hadn't charged or done something aggressive. Most people would've just let it wander if it wasn't showing that it is a danger to them.
I've met some pretty baised people with Rottweilers, Pitts, etc. I personally feel that certain people would call if it so much as barked at a squirrel. But that could be my area and the people I've run into. Might be different in other, maybe more dog friendly areas.

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I have a really hard time believing that police officers would just fire off their weapons. Its just way more trouble than its worth if you're doing it just because you want to or you feel that you can get away with it. Most people are also not really into killing other animals for no good reason, they do feel bad about it when it happens, so I don't believe this particular one was just doing it for fun.
I used to think this way (well, I do think this way with most police incidents) , until I've heard a few things about this department. An officer for it discouraged my boyfriend from applying for them, saying that some of the things that the other officers do and get away with make him sick and hate his job. I'm all for the police, I'm the type that likes to argue with the little thugs who say 'F the Pigs' and all that crap, drives me insane, but I just don't really know about this department. Really makes me wonder.

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As for the owner, it sounds like there were a lot of eye witnesses...none of them recognized the dog and could get in contact with the owner before any of this happened? Seems like way too many people saw this occur and didn't know the owner. If my dog got out in my neighborhood, the majority of the street would know who's dog it is and where to go to get me.
From my understanding, she just moved into this neighborhood. I'm not sure how recently, I'd have to see what I could find on that.
03-05-2014 07:34 PM
selzer Rottweilers, they can be twice as big as our shepherds. 130 pounds for a rot is not that out of the ordinary. And, they are a dog bred to handle cattle -- 2000 pound animals, and guard the money. It was a butcher's dog. A guard dog.

You cannot expect everyone to believe or know your Tiny is big marshmallow. If you want to keep a formidable dog breed, than you can't afford to have nothing between your dog and a bullet but screen-door or a baby gate.

The cops were called to the scene.

The cops had reports of the dog charging people.

The cops shot the dog.

It wouldn't have happened if the owner managed her dog better. No, this dog did not need to be shot to death. It wouldn't have been if the owner wouldn't have let it get loose. The real tragedy here is that the owner is blaming the cops. So when she gets another dog, that dog will be in just as much danger. If you cannot take responsibility for your part in what happens, then you won't make the changes necessary to keep another critter safe, because you simply do not believe it is your fault.
03-05-2014 04:48 PM
Kayos and Havoc I think this goes to show that most people probably might not know aggression when they do or don't see it or not.

Someone mentioned the off leash dogs at parks thread and people being afraid a loose dog would be aggressive or might cause a fight with their own DA dog. I think if we owners of GSD's cannot tell when an incoming dog is a threat how can a cop be expected to? Yes, the officers do need some training. But even if a dog barks or appears threatening because it is afraid, it is still a threat.

I don't condone shooting dogs just because they sometimes escape but I don't expect a police officer to have to stop and think about whether the dog is really aggressive or not if it appears to be threatening.

The best answer is keep them contained, but accidents do happen, part of life. We can do our best to avoid that by being hyper vigilant about it.

I posted about Kayos' escape and my neighbor kicking her and being afraid of my dogs. I think one reason he may be afraid is that we are so vigilant about them. His wife even told me one day they were afraid of them because of how we present them. I had to scratch my head at that. I think what she meant was we are very careful with them and in their eyes it must be they are mean if we are so carefiul. No they are not mean, I just don't want them out and about and out of my control and protection. Same neighbor has 5 dogs that are not under control and in fact have threatened us on our own property. Since I know dogs a little bit, I understood the dog was not really looking for a fight and I ran it off and told the neighbor to keep it at home or I would call ACO. Would I hae called the police and see the dog possibly shot? No. it did not deserve that and it was not really a threat. Bad blood between us and the neighbor now but that is too bad.
03-05-2014 10:36 AM
martemchik Post the link? I think you actually legally have to as you have to properly quote and give credit for the article.

Just look at that article...reports of dog being aggressive and SOME neighbors say that isn't the case. All about who you choose to believe at this point. I don't think people would've called the police if the dog hadn't charged or done something aggressive. Most people would've just let it wander if it wasn't showing that it is a danger to them.

I have a really hard time believing that police officers would just fire off their weapons. Its just way more trouble than its worth if you're doing it just because you want to or you feel that you can get away with it. Most people are also not really into killing other animals for no good reason, they do feel bad about it when it happens, so I don't believe this particular one was just doing it for fun.

As for the owner, it sounds like there were a lot of eye witnesses...none of them recognized the dog and could get in contact with the owner before any of this happened? Seems like way too many people saw this occur and didn't know the owner. If my dog got out in my neighborhood, the majority of the street would know who's dog it is and where to go to get me.
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