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03-04-2014 01:36 PM
A girl and her dog
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Originally Posted by misslesleedavis1 View Post
You know what ive noticed,

In all the bully dog attacked my baby news i see, they always show the picture of the dog who attacked, and the dog is always muscled out wearing a big huge spike collar.

When i see some people put those big spiked collars on their bully breed dog they are almost always trying to portray the worst. So, i have to wonder the mentality that went into raising the dog in the first place.
Couldn't agree more!!! It's those that are led by their egos and masculinity complexes that give the 'tougher' breeds a bad name. Thugged out guys wanting huge muscular dogs to brag about, then the dog ends up killing a small child, or another animal. These types have no clue about true control over the dog and what obedience really is.
02-22-2014 08:21 PM
LifeofRiley
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Originally Posted by Sarah~ View Post
I wasn't referring to anyone, sorry I wasn't clear, my bad. I was speaking in general
Sorry, I am obviously the one who is being hyper-sensitive tonight

Another interesting tidbit that builds on your thoughts about perception issues:

"A 2008 report on media bias by the National Canine Research Council (available on their website at http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil...ience-interest) compared the type of media coverage given for dog attacks that occurred during a four–day period in August 2007 with intriguing results:

On day one, a Labrador mix attacked an elderly man, sending him to the hospital. News stories of his attack appeared in one article in the local paper.

On day two, a mixed–breed dog fatally injured a child. The local paper ran two stories.

On day three, a mixed–breed dog attacked a child, sending him to the hospital. One article ran in the local paper.

On day four, two pit bulls that broke off their chains attacked a woman trying to protect her small dog. She was hospitalized. Her dog was uninjured. This attack was reported in more than 230 articles in national and international newspapers and on the major cable news networks.

It is not a stretch to see how such news coverage could influence calls for breed bans from the frightened public and its legislators."

Note: this is from the same paper I posted at the start of the other thread.
02-22-2014 08:15 PM
Sarah~
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Originally Posted by LifeofRiley View Post
Ummm... if this post is directed at me. I think you mis-read my earlier post. I clearly state in that post that I oppose breed bans and BSL. All the information I quoted and linked to supports the fact the breed bans are ineffective. Maybe you are making reference to another poster... I don't know.
I wasn't referring to anyone, sorry I wasn't clear, my bad. I was speaking in general
02-22-2014 08:13 PM
LifeofRiley
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Originally Posted by Sarah~ View Post
I guarantee there are far less pit bulls in the US than people think. Pit bull means American Pit Bull Terrier, nothing else. The fact it describes a type of dog infuriates me. It is not a "type"... It's a BREED. Same as a GSD. Can we go around calling any dog with pointy ears and a double coat a GSD? Say that "type" of dog started attacking. Would everyone who loves the breed stand around and let the media twist people's thinking to that a GSD can be any any old dog that kind of looks like one? People talk about all of the pit bulls in shelters, but I'd bet money most, almost all of those dogs are mixed and a good portion probably don't have pit bull in them at all. Real pit bulls, papered ones (when the papers are actually legit) are not nearly as easy to get ahold of as the dogs most accept to be pit bulls. American Staffordshire Terriers are not pit bulls.

I try to tell people unless they have papers not to call their dog a pit bull even if it looks like one, because there are a lot of breeds that when mixed with some other breeds look just like a pit. But it isn't. Then the dog bites.... One more dangerous "pit bull" to add to the list. No one says anything about it because it is just accepted that pit bulls are short coated dogs with a brick-like head.

I think I saw a dogsbite.org link in this thread somewhere, that site is garbage and full of misinformation, so I would take anything from there with a grain of salt... They like to make up their own facts and statistics.

I can't stand BSL, I don't agree that GSDs won't be targeted in the future. If "pit bulls" eventually get banned, maybe not immediately but eventually GSDs, rotties, Dobes... they will be next. The same people that couldn't handle their "pit bull" will get another dog they can't handle (like a GSD) and we will have another dog attack pandemic. PEOPLE are the problem!
Ummm... if this post is directed at me. I think you mis-read my earlier post. I clearly state in that post that I oppose breed bans and BSL. All the information I quoted and linked to support the fact the breed bans are ineffective. Maybe you are making reference to another poster... I don't know.
02-22-2014 08:02 PM
Sarah~ I guarantee there are far less pit bulls in the US than people think. Pit bull means American Pit Bull Terrier, nothing else. The fact it describes a type of dog infuriates me. It is not a "type"... It's a BREED. Same as a GSD. Can we go around calling any dog with pointy ears and a double coat a GSD? Say that "type" of dog started attacking. Would everyone who loves the breed stand around and let the media twist people's thinking to that a GSD can be any any old dog that kind of looks like one? People talk about all of the pit bulls in shelters, but I'd bet money most, almost all of those dogs are mixed and a good portion probably don't have pit bull in them at all. Real pit bulls, papered ones (when the papers are actually legit) are not nearly as easy to get ahold of as the dogs most accept to be pit bulls. American Staffordshire Terriers are not pit bulls.

I try to tell people unless they have papers not to call their dog a pit bull even if it looks like one, because there are a lot of breeds that when mixed with some other breeds look just like a pit. But it isn't. Then the dog bites.... One more dangerous "pit bull" to add to the list. No one says anything about it because it is just accepted that pit bulls are short coated dogs with a brick-like head.

I think I saw a dogsbite.org link in this thread somewhere, that site is garbage and full of misinformation, so I would take anything from there with a grain of salt... They like to make up their own facts and statistics.

I can't stand BSL, I don't agree that GSDs won't be targeted in the future. If "pit bulls" eventually get banned, maybe not immediately but eventually GSDs, rotties, Dobes... they will be next. The same people that couldn't handle their "pit bull" will get another dog they can't handle (like a GSD) and we will have another dog attack pandemic. PEOPLE are the problem!
02-22-2014 07:01 PM
LifeofRiley Like others who have posted on this thread, I oppose breed bans and other forms of breed-specific legislation.

I really don’t think we are going to see breed bans spread. In fact, I think that we are going to see a lot of municipalities and states repeal bans they currently have in place.

This paper has a lot of good information.
“Pit Bull Bans: The State of Breed-Specific Legislation”
Pit Bull Bans: The State of Breed–Specific Legislation

Re: State of Breed-Ban Legislation
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“Hundreds of municipalities of all sizes and geographic locations throughout the country have adopted BSL. (One of the most comprehensive, up–to–date lists of BSL jurisdictions can be found at www.understand–a–bull.com.) Still other towns are repealing existing bans, such as Edwardsville, Kansas, which removed its pit bull ban after the nearby Niko case ended.

In 2009 new statewide BSL bills were introduced in Hawaii, Montana, and Oregon, where there are two BSL bills pending. One would ban “pit bulls” from Oregon unless a person has obtained a permit within 90 days of the bill’s passage; the other would require minimum liability insurance coverage of $1 million for pit bull owners..."

"Interestingly, 12 states have passed laws prohibiting the passage of BSL by local governments: Florida and Pennsylvania (although bills are currently pending to repeal this prohibition in both states), California, Colorado, Illinois, Maine, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Oklahoma, Texas, and Virginia. Like the other 11 states, California has ruled that no specific dog breed mix shall be declared potentially dangerous or vicious as a matter of breed, but it does allow BSL related to mandatory spay/neuter programs, meaning it requires dogs of certain breeds to be “fixed.” The city of Denver has perhaps the most tortured history with BSL Denver passed BSL in 1989, but the Colorado State Legislature outlawed BSL in 2004. Denver later reinstated BSL after the city challenged the state’s BSL prohibition, and a judge ruled that Denver’s BSL could be allowed to stand as a home rule exception..."

Re: Who opposes Breed Bans and BSL?
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“National animal organizations such as the American Veterinary Medical Association, Humane Society of the United States, Animal Legal Defense Fund, Best Friends Animal Society, American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the American Kennel Club, and the National Animal Control Association all oppose BSL. Otto sums up their position this way: “If the goal is dog–bite prevention, then dogs should be treated as individuals under effective dangerous dog laws and not as part of a breed painted with certain traits that may not be applicable to each dog. By doing so, owners of well–trained, gentle dogs are not punished by a breed ban, while dangerous dogs of all breeds are regulated and may have their day in court to be proven dangerous.”

Note: This has to be one of the few issues in dogdom where all of these groups are in agreement with each other… LOL!

Re: Is BSL effective?
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“Extensive studies of the effectiveness of BSL in reducing the number of persons harmed by dog attacks were done in Spain and Great Britain. Both studies concluded that their “dangerous animals acts,” which included pit bull bans, had no effect at all on stopping dog attacks. The Spanish study further found that the breeds most responsible for bites—both before and after the breed bans—were those breeds not covered by it, primarily German Shepherds and mixed breeds.”

One of the few known instances in which a breed ban’s effectiveness was examined and reported on in the United States occurred in Prince George’s County, Maryland, where a task force was formed in 2003 to look at the effectiveness of its pit bull ban. The task force concluded that the public’s safety had not improved as a result of the ban, despite the fact that the county had spent more than $250,000 per year to round up and destroy banned dogs. Finding that other, non–breed–specific laws already on the books covered vicious animal, nuisance, leash, and other public health and safety concerns, the task force recommended repealing the ban.”

[Note: In addition to these studies, it is also interesting to note that the Netherlands and the Province of Ontario have repealed their breed bans because the legislation was found to be ineffective. [See the NCRC link below for the source of that information]

Re: Options beyond BSL?
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“The National Canine Research Council has identified the most common factors found in fatal dog attacks occurring in 2006:
  • 97 percent of the dogs involved were not spayed or neutered.
  • 84 percent of the attacks involved owners who had abused or neglected their dogs, failed to contain their dogs, or failed to properly chain their dogs.
  • 78 percent of the dogs were not kept as pets but as guard, breeding, or yard dogs.”
Quote:
"The ASPCA has proposed a list of solutions for inclusion in breed–neutral laws that hold reckless dog owners accountable for their aggressive animals:
  • Enhanced enforcement of dog license laws with adequate fees to augment animal control budgets and surcharges on ownership of unaltered dogs to help fund low–cost pet- sterilization programs. High–penalty fees should be imposed on those who fail to license a dog.
  • Enhanced enforcement of leash/dog–at–large laws, with adequate penalties to supplement animal control funding and to ensure the law is taken seriously.
  • Dangerous dog laws that are breed neutral and focus on the behavior of the individual dog, with mandated sterilization and microchipping of dogs deemed dangerous and options for mandating muzzling, confinement, adult supervision, training, owner education, and a hearings process with gradually increasing penalties, including euthanasia, in aggravated circumstances such as when a dog causes unjustified injury or simply cannot be controlled. (“Unjustified” typically is taken to mean the dog was not being harmed or provoked by anyone when the attack occurred.)
  • Laws that hold dog owners financially accountable for failure to adhere to animal control laws, and also hold them civilly and criminally liable for unjustified injuries or damage caused by their dogs.
  • Laws that prohibit chaining or tethering, coupled with enhanced enforcement of animal cruelty and fighting laws. Studies have shown that chained dogs are an attractive nuisance to children and others who approach them.
  • Laws that mandate the sterilization of shelter animals and make low–cost sterilization services widely available.
"

[Note: The AVMA paper and the CDC have made similar community-based recommendations, I posted links to those below]


Other interesting sources of information:
From the AVMA via the CDC site:
https://www.avma.org/public/Health/D...ts/dogbite.pdf
From the NCRC
Breed-Specific Legislation (BSL) FAQ I NCRC
From the ASPCA:
Breed Specific Legislation | ASPCA
From the HSUS
Why Breed-Specific Legislation Doesn?t Work : The Humane Society of the United States
02-22-2014 08:36 AM
misslesleedavis1 Lexi's story is terribly sad. If that is truly the way it happened, I cant think of any reason why that dog went off his rails.

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02-22-2014 08:27 AM
misslesleedavis1 People may be quick to pull the trigger, while jogging with a lady I did not know well ( jogging group) we were approached by a rather large black and tan dog, looked like a hound mix. He circle barked us before he headed on his way , his bum was in full wiggle mode and his bark suggested hey!!!!! Hellllo !!!! Rather then being aggressive. Well, she froze up, teared up, and went on a tangent about "just being attacked by a big german shepherd " , I ensured her that it was no attack and that dog was the furthest thing from GSD but she was hysterical at that point yelling about animal control and putting the vicious GSD to sleep. At that point the bubbly hound looking mix was long gone, I can just imagine how many of her friends and family got to hear about "the vicious GSD " that day, how many of her friends and family were left with a bad taste in their mouths about GSD s?,

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02-22-2014 01:05 AM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by David Taggart View Post
Though GSD is a potentially agressive dog, I never heard that GSD savaged a child with a reason too little for attack. Mainly it is nipping for pestering, especially when a family dog wants to sleep during the day, or it could be playing and wrestling with a dog, so the dog's resistence was aggravated and led to agressive responce. In no way GSD could be compared to pit bulls or mastiffs. I believe, this mastiff has attacked the girl only because she was snorring in her sleep, and it reminded him a growling. I know that some dogs like bulldogs produce some snorting sounds due to difficulty in breathing which reminds growling, and they are often attacked by other dogs just for that. But, I'm absolutely sure, that no dominant, offensively agressive GSD would do this:
Mountsorrel dog attack: Lexi Branson - first pictures of the little girl killed by family dog - Mirror Online
For the record it was not a " Dogue De Bordeaux,"

"I wish that the Mirror would get their bloody facts correct about the dog. The dog pictured was not the dog that attacked the child at all. I have a Dogue De Bordeaux as in the picture and they are the most placid dog around kids. I have been yelled at by a woman today saying I should muzzle my dangerous dog all because some idiot reported that it was a Dogue De Bordeaux and not a Bull Dog. Unbelieveable and I am so angry about this. I feel sorry for the child and mother, but this is very bad reporting."
02-22-2014 12:39 AM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by MadLab View Post
Nah, Mine hasn't found her flippers yet. She jumped/fell in by accident and sometimes got booted in by myself. She can swim as any dog can and at 3 is now showing more sign that she is gonna start. Going in up to her neck and starting to float a bit.

She retrieves a bit. She'd rather run for something and grab it and lie down with it. She doesn't do happy unless she knows people.

Very skittish and aggressive as a pup, but nice and stable and aware as an adult. Took a lot of work to get her to where she is and I'm prowd of her and happy she grew into a nice dog. I was seriously worried from 6 to 12 months due to human aggression.

Not really dog aggressive but uses aggression to guard herself or let dogs know not to touch her or take anything from her. Trained to not fight and I seen her try avoid a scrap with another female bullmastiff around 5-6 times before she gave her a lesson.

Regarding breeds. If I mix any terrier into her they are gonna be lab bull terriers without any pit blood, yet would be called pit bulls. Pit bull is a tag for the look of a dog with bull blood which is crossed with anything.

I guess American pit bull is a composite breed any ways of bull dogs and mastiffs and labs and terriers so it's ahrd to say what is pure.
Actual Bull Terrier? And on the other note...APTB= American Staffordshire terrier, AKC and UKC treat the registration differently. Same dog one allows dual registration the other one doesn't ! So..is it a pitt??
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