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02-24-2014 11:29 PM
selzer I have to admit, that when I had boys, I had them fight once, 79 and 80 pounds going at it with just me to break them up.

Any day. I would take breaking up two boys any day over two 60-70 pound girls. Girls are evil. They don't quit. They don't care. The will try to kill each other.

The boys didn't even have a scratch on them. Lots of noise, yes. Not a scratch. But bitches...

I guess I am a little concerned with the SSA thing, but not so much as the other issues of raising two pups at once. Having them panic when separated, bonding more with the dog that with people, and so forth.

I hope the OP rehomes the dog and the new owners join up, because I think it would be very interesting to see how the pup turns out.
02-24-2014 10:59 PM
shepherdmom
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Thank you for the info regarding how to break up a dog fight....now enough of my thread hijacking....
I think the OP is long gone.
02-24-2014 10:58 PM
shepherdmom
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Are we still arguing?

Why not? It's always fun to have an argument with someone who has intelligent thoughtful answers.

John Q Public does know about papers. Sorry. Some of them don't care in liu of a cheaper dog. But you would have to have to be raised in a bubble to not know about papers. John Q Public is pretty dumb sometimes but I think we go a little too far sometimes in expecting people to not know about some things. If someone knows about breeds and what a purebred is they know about registration papers. They may not know the differences between a reputable registry and a junk registry, limited registration and full registration. But most people know about papers.
I'd have to disagree with that. Where I lived down in Arizona was mostly a farm migrant area right on the edge of the indian res. No one either knew or cared about papers in that area. Where I am now, I'm sure a lot of people don't know or care about papers either

I see Chip18 has jumped into this thread... What do you think? Do you think a lot of the people around here know or care about papers?
02-24-2014 10:53 PM
shepherdmom
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Well stated but...if he were experienced and well versed in gsd's ..would he have gotten two pups???
I'm experienced with GSD's and I wouldn't hesitate as long as it was male/female. I wouldn't ever get two females but with the right males I might consider it.
02-24-2014 10:46 PM
SuperG Thank you for the info regarding how to break up a dog fight....now enough of my thread hijacking....

I'm still trying to figure out the original thread...boy trusts breeder...boy gets dog...boy has buyer's remorse based on breeder's lack of follow through on guarantee...boy says keeping dog anyway...boy tries to sell original dog and gets new dog....boy says " I'm keeping both dogs"....Boy oh boy, this is confusing.

Since I am a person who expects others to live up to their "word" including financial transactions...if I had been through this chances are...I would keep the dog because I was most likely getting the dog as a companion and then I would tell the breeder I want most of money back since the breeder failed to deliver the product solicited. At the very least, making a less than honest breeder refund a good portion of the price charged, might keep them from doing it again.....wishful thinking...huh?


SuperG
02-24-2014 10:01 PM
selzer
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Grab each dog by one leg and pull them apart ??? That seems impractical....I don't think my arms are long enough to grab two GSDs each at their rear legs. Or is this the method used when there are two willing referees? If so, any advice on how one person can break up a dog fight ( 2 dogs ) ?

Thanks again,

SuperG
Having a number of intact bitches, I have had a brawl here and there -- usually when I foolishly leave a crate or kennel gate improperly latched while I am cleaning, or if I forget that I left one out, instead of locking her in another run like normal.

Since it is only me and bitches play for keeps, time is of the essence. You do not have to worry about your positive training or status. The dog will not remember if you kick, punch, hit them over the head with a chair. Doesn't matter, when bitches are in the red zone, they don't remember anything you are doing. They are trying to kill that bitch that is biting them.

What I do, is I grab a tail, and pull the one dog back until I can get a gate between the dog dog. then I will with my feet and the kennel gate try to get them disconnected. Yes, I have stuck my hands down there, and was very lucky to not be bitten in that process. Usually what GSDs will do when they are fighting is they will grip, and they will then loosen to take a better grip at that point, you pull the dog back and shove that gate in between.

It is a terrible thing to have bitches that are trying to kill each other. They say to grab the back legs, and I suppose that works if you have two referees. But if you have a leash handy, if you can make a large loop out of the handle end, and get it around one of their heads. then clip it to something solid -- around the four x four fence post. Then you could go to the back end of the other dog and grab for back legs.

The thing is, they fight locking their jaws on the other dogs head, jaw, neck, etc. Which means even getting a large loop around one of their necks would be near impossible.

The best way to break up a fight is to prevent it, and head it off before there is contact.
02-24-2014 09:49 PM
dogfaeries
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Grab each dog by one leg and pull them apart ??? That seems impractical....I don't think my arms are long enough to grab two GSDs each at their rear legs. Or is this the method used when there are two willing referees? If so, any advice on how one person can break up a dog fight ( 2 dogs ) ?

Thanks again,

SuperG
I broke up a Doberman bitch fight with a chair one time (pushing it between them). I don't ever want to have to break up a real fight again. Squabbles are another story.
02-24-2014 09:42 PM
Chip18
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Your statement is inaccurate. I am someone, so is Lilly. We fit under that "everyone" blanket, that you mentioned. I haven't changed my stripes, nor did Lilly I think. And, we are leading the charge about re-homing.

You need to look up some stuff about raising two puppies at once, before jumping down our throats, and poo-pooing what we say. It can work for some of us who are just plain dog-people. Most people are better off not doing two at once. Much better off. What Lilly and I want is what is best for BOTH puppies. Looking at the entirety of this situation as it has unfolded on this thread, the best thing possible is for the light puppy to go to another home.

People will do what they want, but now we have hopefully given him something to consider. Much better to rehome this puppy, and yes even to someone off of Craig's List.
Done.

Leerburg | Raising Two Pups at a Time: Why It's a Bad Idea
02-24-2014 09:38 PM
Chip18
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Yes. Getting two puppies the same age and gender when not experienced has a greater chance of issues (pack order conflict) than not. If he is expereinced and well versed in gsd's then I will recant my recommendation, however, based on his posts in this thread I am highly doubtful he is.
Well stated but...if he were experienced and well versed in gsd's ..would he have gotten two pups???
02-24-2014 09:28 PM
SuperG
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Super G - Grab them by the back legs and pull apart
Grab each dog by one leg and pull them apart ??? That seems impractical....I don't think my arms are long enough to grab two GSDs each at their rear legs. Or is this the method used when there are two willing referees? If so, any advice on how one person can break up a dog fight ( 2 dogs ) ?

Thanks again,

SuperG
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