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02-19-2014 06:44 PM
llombardo
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Originally Posted by Blanketback View Post
I know this sentiment is coming from your heart, and you're passionate about the problem. But step back for a second and think abut it: what does altering the animals have to do with it? You know from your own body that it's pretty easy to avoid a pregnancy, and a tubal ligation isn't needed to accomplish that, lol.

I'm not even going to get started on the fact that shelters are importing and shipping dogs by the dozen. My vet is extremely angry about the dogs coming up from down south, because they're bringing up things that our dogs are catching, things that were unheard of years ago.

If the government could mandate "compassion" and "responsibility" instead, then I'd agree with you. Why do so many people dump their pets? I know you couldn't do it and neither could I - although if we had no choice then we'd have to rehome them and I'd rather do that myself and I'd bet you would too.

If altering animals was mandatory and people came door to door here, the problem would decrease dramatically. They could probably employ lots of people to do this sort of thing. Sadly a dog can't choose to go to the store to get protection before it has sex. As far as dogs coming from other places, I find that the rescues do this more then anything. The shelters in Chicago are so over crowded with dogs from right here that there isn't room for them, much less dogs from other areas. Its not a state issue its a whole country issue. The dogs have no say and are just subjects in a vicious circle. Its a lack of compassion, lack of education, and lack of responsibility in the human race that is the issue.
02-19-2014 11:14 AM
Blanketback
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Originally Posted by llombardo View Post
I'm all for mandatory spats/neuters. If pet owners can be that stupid then maybe the government should step in.
I know this sentiment is coming from your heart, and you're passionate about the problem. But step back for a second and think abut it: what does altering the animals have to do with it? You know from your own body that it's pretty easy to avoid a pregnancy, and a tubal ligation isn't needed to accomplish that, lol.

I'm not even going to get started on the fact that shelters are importing and shipping dogs by the dozen. My vet is extremely angry about the dogs coming up from down south, because they're bringing up things that our dogs are catching, things that were unheard of years ago.

If the government could mandate "compassion" and "responsibility" instead, then I'd agree with you. Why do so many people dump their pets? I know you couldn't do it and neither could I - although if we had no choice then we'd have to rehome them and I'd rather do that myself and I'd bet you would too.
02-19-2014 08:29 AM
belladonnalily
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Originally Posted by DJEtzel View Post
I'm anxious to see how they regulate proper breeding practices.
The same way the government regulates everything else. Money and knowing the "right" people. All while screaming from the rooftops about the greater good and claiming its in everyone's best interests.

The government doesn't give a rats patootie about animal welfare. They LOVE when people don't follow their rules so they can fine them.

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02-19-2014 08:09 AM
llombardo Parvo is very environmental, given the time frame the pup got sick I would say where it was born but not necessarily from mom. It's odd that mom isn't vaccinated and didn't get it herself, but then again she could have been vaccinated as a pup and that was enough. As for laws on spay/neuter..everyday regular people are not smart enough to prevent pregnancy or think is cute to have puppies. Lots of people think it takes away from their manhood, with that thinking I'm all for mandatory spats/neuters. If pet owners can be that stupid then maybe the government should step in. Lots of these shelters are partially funded by government and that gives them the power to do what they want. How else are they suppose to control the pet population? There are so many dogs in shelters everywhere dying everyday, it's sickening and it's all because of people who don't spay/ neuter. Based on the alarming numbers I would have to say there is more of those kinds of people out there then people that do right by their dogs. It's got to start and end somewhere.
02-18-2014 11:35 PM
my boy diesel who knows where the parvo was picked up
trying to utilize such a lemon law would be fooldhardy
at best
a waste of money at worst
the parvo could have come from birth place
or new home
the dirt impacted in the stomach and intestines
could have come from birth place
or new home either one
the dirt could have easily made
the parvo worse
either way he may have survived parvo
had it not been for the dirt
and that can't be proven where
it originated without some csi like detective
work
so pointless to pursue lemon law
02-18-2014 11:23 PM
DJEtzel
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Originally Posted by JeanKBBMMMAAN View Post
Well apparently if you want something done right you should do it yourself. Which was not the case and here we are so that's that.


I was having a conversation, relevant to the topic at hand, and you took quotes from me and moved them over here? To a thread with no title/point? I'm just confused. Lol none of this has anything to do with helping the OP prevent more dogs being bred by these people.. Which I'm all for if there is already a law in place, otherwise I would definitely not be interested. People like that shouldn't be breeding though.
02-18-2014 10:56 PM
selzer
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Originally Posted by Msmaria View Post
Just wondering where u got 20 puppies, because I read two litters in prior year. Yes I understand that it is not much. I guess it has to do with whether 150 makes a difference for her and how far the court is from her home whether shes working full time or not.
As I do not live in CA, I googled it and found a law passed in 95 or 96. Sounded ok. They said 2 litters or 20 puppies.

The way I look at it is this:

1. This person may still be a friend, or a friend of a friend and for friendship's sake, I would never try to force this issue.

2. We cannot for absolute certain say that the parvo originated at the breeders. We may believe so. We have heard (heresay) that other puppies were ill. But we cannot be certain that this is the case. So unless the vet is willing to go out on a limb here, it is shaky at best.

3. To earn back the possibility of UP TO $150, she will have to shell out $25 (if California small claims cost $25), and miss a day of work, if she is going to continue to work for the vet. Also transportation cost to the court and the time.

This was a very unfortunate situation. I think that prolonging it by litigation isn't going to help anybody. And the rewards are not going help the OP, and they are not going to hurt the breeder all that much even if the full amount is awarded.
02-18-2014 10:36 PM
Msmaria
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Originally Posted by selzer View Post
As for the puppy lemon law in California:
1. If the breeder did not sell more than 20 puppies in the year, she is not covered.

2. The breeder is liable to either return the pet for the purchase price/vet bills not more than the purchase price, or keep the pet and get vet costs not more than 150% of the purchase price, or exchange the pup for one that is not sick. In this case $100 or $150 is the max she can get.

Is it truly worth it? If she is a friend? Will she need a lawyer to go after her? Does she want to drag it out and go to small claims court for it? Take over work. What that will do is that will keep it constantly at the forefront of her mind. Sometimes, you just have to move on. $100 to $150 is not going to break or curb the breeder.
Just wondering where u got 20 puppies, because I read two litters in prior year. Yes I understand that it is not much. I guess it has to do with whether 150 makes a difference for her and how far the court is from her home whether shes working full time or not.
02-18-2014 10:05 PM
Gretchen
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Originally Posted by DJEtzel View Post
Can you please link me (or pm me! Don't wanna take this off topic) to the laws about this? As far as I knew, the government could not tell us what to do with our property, yet.
I live in CA and in my county you must spay/neuter by 6 months, there are exceptions:

Santa Cruz County, California. Title 6. Animals
02-18-2014 10:04 PM
JeanKBBMMMAAN
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Originally Posted by Msmaria View Post
And to add helping the OP to find a legal way to help recover some costs for this young financially strapped family is in no way asserting our own agenda. I dont have an agenda . Ive helped out when people have set up sites for help financially here and i will do the same information wise whenever I feel like it. As long as im not using foul language or calling people idiots, or lazy etc. I have the right to post and follow whatever agenda I want. (If I did have one, )
Are you talking to me?
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