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04-23-2014 02:19 PM
K9POPPY Cassidy'smom says it best- Ultra Z/D BUYS YOU SOME TIME- and that's what its all about, time, right? Time to figure out what's best for your GSD- Bob
04-23-2014 12:52 PM
Cassidy's Mom The problem with loose stools is that it can be caused by so many different things. With Keefer we didn't know if it was 100% medical or 100% food intolerance/allergy related, or some combination of both. The Z/D bought us time, just like Nancy and Eiros. We were able to get good stools for the first time since we'd had him, and let his digestive tract heal and mature while we got the giardia and SIBO under control. Once the medical issues were resolved, that's when I tried switching him back to his regular food. Since that went well, it was easy to determine that food wasn't the problem, without having to go through a long involved food trial with a variety of novel proteins.
04-23-2014 11:04 AM
Originally Posted by Wild Wolf View Post

I read a marketing poster by Royal Canin (Medi-Cal) at the vet yesterday, which claimed that raw foods and homemade diets were dangerous because they were not scientifically measured for every nutrient required in a lab by professionals.
We went to the vet a couple days ago and she said the same thing "it's really hard to balance a dog's diet unless you feed kibble" but luckily didn't push the issue with me.
04-23-2014 10:53 AM
Wild Wolf I don't support RC or Hills - I cannot stand their marketing or their ingredient reads. I am extremely familiar with their food, as I worked in a veterinarian hospital prior to becoming self employed and had to endure many seminars and workshops put on by those two companies.

I read a marketing poster by Royal Canin (Medi-Cal) at the vet yesterday, which claimed that raw foods and homemade diets were dangerous because they were not scientifically measured for every nutrient required in a lab by professionals.

Well - wolves, lions, bears, fish and every other creature on the planet (except humans and pets, apparently) don't have access to science labs to manufacture their food... even humans don't eat like that all the time (your plate of grilled steak, baked potatoes and steamed broccoli wasn't made in a lab tailored to your nutritional requirements although you do have access to information on the general nutritional value of specific foods).

I digress, sorry. I think it is worth it to investigate those foods, the ingredients they are composed of, and form your own opinion. There is A LOT of information out there for dog owners seeking anything on pet food. Knowledge is power.

I hope your dog feels better soon, good luck with the food stuff!
04-23-2014 10:27 AM
NancyJ Eiros, that is EXACTLY what we did. We also wound up on a fish based food, FWIW.
04-23-2014 10:13 AM
Eiros I had to raise a pup with bad food allergies on Z/D. He had itchy, scabby skin. It might be good to use the food and the medicine to get the infection under control, then start trying different isolated proteins and starches and see if there's something that the dog can eat.

It was a long process for us... every time he reacted to a food we gave him benadryl (worked for us and was less harsh than the steroid) for a couple days, then tried something else! We did all the proteins first, then all the starches. After about 5 months we were able to switch him to a fish-based food with no issues.
04-23-2014 10:03 AM
NancyJ My statement was lukewarm but if you have a dog with severe allergies this food buys you some time to figure things out because the proteins are broken down to a size smaller than would incite an allergic reaction. The science is valid. Sometimes we focus too much on the food label and not enough on the outcome.

I still took advantage of the time to look for an alternate solution but it bought me several itch free months. Then I wound up feeding a food. Yes, a Purina LID food because that is what actually kept my dog from constant itching and ear infections.
04-23-2014 10:00 AM
Cassidy's Mom If he has SIBO (small intestine bacterial overgrowth) he'll need to be on antibiotics for at least 4 weeks. I would not give metro for that long because there can be side affects. Usually it's either Tylan (tylosin) or tetracycline. Keefer had SIBO, probably caused by giardia, so he was on 10 days of metro for the giardia, then 4 weeks of tetracycline because that's what my had in stock. That alone was not enough to give him solid stools, and he was on ZD Ultra for a few months. As others have said, the ingredients aren't great and it wasn't something I wanted to keep him on forever, but it totally did the trick - I switched him over a period of a couple of days, and his stools were great on the first full meal of ZD. Once his digestive system had a chance to heal, I slowly switched him back to his regular food and he's been fine ever since. He was around 6 months old when diagnosed, and he'll be 9 years old in August. I also gave him a digestive supplement during treatment and for a period of time afterwards: Berte's Digestion Blend (1 lb.) Berte's Digestion Blend - bacterial pancreatic IBD and GI supplement [04016] - $40.95
04-23-2014 09:51 AM
kr16 My pup had the same thing. The vet tried to give me some of that Royal food and I laughed at him.

Prescription dogs foods do not have any active ingredients that make it a prescription. If you read the labels on Science Diet some of the SD varieties have the exact same formulas. This is what vets sell so they are inclined to put dogs on that or Royal Scamine.

The meds will clear up the problem for now. It may take testing to figure it all out further if it continues. The bacteria overgrowth is common. You needed another fecal test to see if it was enough bacteria to cause the problem if you didn't get that. In my pups case it was not.
04-23-2014 07:46 AM
K9POPPY Thank you, Tank & Zero for your opinion regarding Ultra Z/D. To the original OP, I will also add that Ultra Z/D was the only food that helped our male GSD with EPI live a normal life- if you need more info on Z/D, go to Hill's website and read the testimonials. And yes, our female GSD has thrived on Ultra Z/D for 7 years- We don't question the ingredients or the price, it just works- IMHO, BOB
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