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|02-18-2014 01:45 PM|
Definitely training in the ring, practice for tattoo check/microchip check (make sure readable and have it), teeth and stacking and possibly get a show handler for the show it self.
Show handler fees are "usually" cost of the class. Payable there....
It is respect for the other handlers, owners and judge.
And not only is the judge critiquing the structure, he/she is also looking at the temperament. People forget that and can lose a rating due to temperament issues.
Saw it happen this past year.
|02-18-2014 11:23 AM|
Stick with UKC or SV type shows if you plan on showing working lines. I have shown several working dogs in SV shows and have always done well. Judges are fair to dogs that are conditioned, prepared, trained, and ready for the show ring. It's annoying to have a ring of prepared dogs ready to gait/stack/show - only to have a oddity shrieking nutcase in the mix that disrupts the flow of the ring.
Whichever venue you decide on, give it the proper respect by preparing and training in advance. Good luck to you
|02-18-2014 09:27 AM|
|Liesje||I've shown WL dogs but in UKC. Several reasons...in AKC it seems you need a pro handler to do well. I don't have a problem with that but my *own* dogs are always HOT (handler-owner-trained). The point of doing ring training and conformation class is so *I* can show them. UKC is a more appropriate venue for that. It's less expensive and much more accessible for me since headquarters are an hour away. I could probably show once a month without ever leaving the state if I wanted to. Also I do other UKC performance events, so I can enter a dog in multiple things at one show. I don't do any AKC performance events anymore. People I know are more into UKC so it's easier to round up enough dogs to actually get "wins" (you have to beat a certain number of dogs in order for it to count). It's not just that the UKC is viewed as more WGSL or WL friendly, it just makes more sense.|
|02-17-2014 11:01 PM|
|02-17-2014 10:47 PM|
Originally Posted by Charlie W View Post
My personal feeling, which is quite idealistic, is that judges can only put up what is put in front of them. If we get working lines--of any breed--into the conformation ring, the judge at least has a choice. Maybe some all-breed judges have secretly hated the current fad in a certain breed, and maybe they look at the WL dog in the ring and think "we need more of THAT". And if they are brave, they will put up the WL dog, just to make a statement.
Now, this assumes there are (or will be) judges that are NOT corrupt and politically beholden. This will not happen overnight. I'm thinking that *IF* people start showing their working-line dogs, not to win, but just to get them seen, judges will get used to seeing them, and come to appreciate them. And maybe in 30-40 years, we will start to see things change.
But it has to start somewhere, so I think showing WL dogs in AKC conformation is a great thing to do if you have the stones for it. You can't go in expecting to win, and you have to be gracious. You will be spending money, so you have be able to get something out of it other than winning. Personally I love seeing working lines of any breed in the conformation ring, and I think they should get out and be seen. A dog that still does what it was bred to do--imagine that!
|02-17-2014 10:14 PM|
There is not a movement (IMO) to blend the lines. This is more a matter for ASL people, I believe, to bring in new blood.
|02-17-2014 10:12 PM|
Originally Posted by Xeph View Post
|02-17-2014 09:52 PM|
|Blitzkrieg1||I see, would you say there is a movement to blend the two strains of SL or just bring in some new blood to rejuv the regular lines?|
|02-17-2014 09:48 PM|
|Xeph||The hardest part of these crosses is not ending up with crappy toplines and no fronts.|
|02-17-2014 09:47 PM|
My own goal is more drive, improved temperament, maintaining good breed type, a bit more coat.
I would have no problem infusing the right WL animals into my program, but I wouldn't do WL x ASL directly, mostly because I think I'd end up with butters (nerve strength issues). Nerve strength is more easily matched between WGSL and ASL. Improvement without crazy animals.
Are these dogs winning? Some of them, yes. There are pure WGSL dogs (recent) that have achieved their American championships, though admittedly those dogs were campaigned by "faces".
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