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02-14-2014 11:25 PM
Lauri & The Gang Malinois are smaller than GSD but every bit as intimidating.
02-14-2014 04:53 PM
Harry and Lola
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Originally Posted by Cassidy's Mom View Post
Nope. A female at the top end of the standard will be bigger than a male at the bottom end of the standard, but size isn't everything. My 57 pound female is much more intimidating than my 79 pound male. She's way more serious and intense than he is, and her sable coat seems to make her look more hard core than his black and red coat. People don't always know what he is either (both are longcoats), but I don't think he's ever been mistaken for a wolf, like she has!
Yes this is true, although a small male may be more intimidating than a larger female to some people because their heads are bigger and wider, the larger female would usually have a smaller feminine head and this would definitely be a factor for some people and their fear. Also, I understand what you mean by the sable coats especially the darker ones compared to your usual black & tan/gold/red with saddle.
02-14-2014 03:12 PM
Cassidy's Mom
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Originally Posted by gsdemack View Post
Sorry my title was meant to be

Is the standard breed size (bitch in my case) too small to be intimidating
Nope. A female at the top end of the standard will be bigger than a male at the bottom end of the standard, but size isn't everything. My 57 pound female is much more intimidating than my 79 pound male. She's way more serious and intense than he is, and her sable coat seems to make her look more hard core than his black and red coat. People don't always know what he is either (both are longcoats), but I don't think he's ever been mistaken for a wolf, like she has!
02-14-2014 02:38 PM
Gwenhwyfair Super Snooper.

Sounds like you have the daily 'pack sing along' at your house too.


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Originally Posted by Lilie View Post
Yep! And now the super snooper is living with us (so is daughter while she goes back to school & work). When that dog gets going, my other dogs will howl, which makes him go even louder, which makes my dogs howl louder...etc. etc. Drives.....me.....nuts...!!!!!
02-14-2014 12:42 PM
gsdemack Sorry my title was meant to be

Is the standard breed size (bitch in my case) too small to be intimidating
02-14-2014 11:35 AM
Lilie
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Originally Posted by Gwenhwyfair View Post
Lilie,

Wasn't it your daughter and her very loud beagle that saved the day when she had a bad character at her front door?

I've got two full grown GSDs backed up by a soprano Aussie.
Yep! And now the super snooper is living with us (so is daughter while she goes back to school & work). When that dog gets going, my other dogs will howl, which makes him go even louder, which makes my dogs howl louder...etc. etc. Drives.....me.....nuts...!!!!!
02-14-2014 11:23 AM
martemchik I've just started dabbling in SDA training and most of the protection phase is based off of the dog's bark and intimidation ability rather than the actual bite.

The thing about dog fear is that if someone is inherently fearful of dogs (usually medium sized and bigger) or just fearful of a certain breed, the size makes no difference. And in general, people that do not fear dogs, will not fear any dog of any size if it is acting normally and civil. So unless that dog is either barking/growling/lunging, a person without a natural or environmental fear of dogs, will not be scared of that dog.

OP, I have a 55 lb female and an 85 lb male. Sure, he's more intimidating just walking down the street, but the people that are fearful of him, are also fearful of my female. It has nothing to do with size, and more to do with the fact that they're both GSD and are fairly large dogs (most people are not going to be scared of the smaller breeds).
02-14-2014 10:52 AM
Gwenhwyfair Lilie,

Wasn't it your daughter and her very loud beagle that saved the day when she had a bad character at her front door?

I've got two full grown GSDs backed up by a soprano Aussie.
02-14-2014 10:24 AM
Lilie People find both my 35lb hard bodied Lacy and my 96lb hair ball GSD, intimidating. Each for different reasons.
02-14-2014 10:09 AM
Gwenhwyfair Agree, partly. Someone once said if a thief is willing to challenge or break into a house with a full grown GSD, he needs to be shot.

Having said that, in blue below, most property crimes are crimes of opportunity, thieves look for easy targets.

My parents house was broken into last year. After the break in, neighbors came by to console and support them. As they talked more then one person had observed a women who was not living in the neighborhood walking around. One of the neighbors did stop and question her, she told that neighbor she was 'looking for house cleaning work'.

They put two and two together and realized she was casing the houses for easy targets and they reported the information to the police who agreed.

My parents had no dog, no alarm, a private backyard with fencing and lots of shrubs. So they broke in through the back door, ransacked the place and ran.

Same with a client of mine. The people who broke into her house were caught and tried. She went to the trial and later asked the crooks why they chose her house, they responded "You can't see the house well from the street".

So they are *mostly* looking for easy targets.

I can see if you have something exceptionally valuable and one of the 'bad guys' knows it's in your house then ....yeah... your scenario can hold true but the stats (and my LEO friends) show that most of the time bad guys will pass by the house with large barking dogs (often even a small yapping dog is enough).

A friend of mine who was special OPs military and then went on to be a high ranking police officer in a large metro area said that too many people don't pay attention to having a good 'defensive zone' around their houses, keep shrubs trimmed, strategically placed lights and other steps to deter property crime.


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I think this is a really interesting topic though. Intimidation. I think it all comes back to what you want from your dog. Do you want a very territorial/defensive dog to alert to someone on your property? As a security measure?

The irony of keeping a dog as a "protection dog" or for "security" is that, anyone is willing to go through a dog to get into your property, likely has a plan to take care of your dog and this also applies to when you're out walking your dog. Essentially what I'm trying to say is that someone bad enough to come through what, for all they know, could be a very well trained ex-patrol dog with titanium teeth and a bite like tarzan's grip, is likely equipped to take care of your dog. Which essentially makes a dog that bites "for real" obsolete and more of a liability than a security measure.

Therefore, I think, a dogs greatest asset in terms of security is it's bark - first and foremost. If a dog is intimidating than more power to it, but all you really need is a good territorial watch dog. If you get a dog from one of the flock guardian breeds then there's a good chance that it'll have a territorial streak in it.

I also think some people want an intimidating dog for the same reason some people like to drive around in rice burners, for an ego boost. Maybe they derive some sort of pleasure out of knowing that others are scared of their animal - the same way a bikie gang member might get off on the fact that people tremble when he walks by. Me? I find it funny when people will cross the street when I'm walking down the sidewalk with my little 70lb shepherd on his leash, because I know that if he was ever confronted, he'd probably tuck tail and run.
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