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02-10-2014 05:44 PM
FrankieC
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Originally Posted by sehrgutcsg View Post
I laughed when I read your reply.. If you wait 6 more months to jump on her and nibble on her ear and make her cry out; "stop mommy" she may rule the house..

At 4 months you should correct her - then praise her when she act's the correct way you wish, you will gain her respect. Pounce, nibble, listen, cover your face.. Oops, did I just suggest you dominate your dog to protect your daughter's beautiful cheeks, you bet I did..!!
I bet I laughed harder when I read your reply. Wow.
02-10-2014 05:39 PM
carrieincolorado Thanks everyone! Great advice, I love the Training Positive videos on YouTube , I've been watching those for the last month or so. Chevelle is doing great at "school".. learning tons!
02-08-2014 08:28 PM
Cassidy's Mom
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Originally Posted by sehrgutcsg View Post
I laughed when I read your reply.. If you wait 6 more months to jump on her and nibble on her ear and make her cry out; "stop mommy" she may rule the house..

At 4 months you should correct her - then praise her when she act's the correct way you wish, you will gain her respect. Pounce, nibble, listen, cover your face.. Oops, did I just suggest you dominate your dog to protect your daughter's beautiful cheeks, you bet I did..!!
Wow, really? Hope nobody actually follows this "advice"! Sounds like an excellent way to get bitten, and certainly not how a leader would act. If you watch puppies play, there's a lot of pouncing and chewing on each other going on, so it's more likely to make your puppy treat you little a littermate than to defer to you. Nibbling on your puppy's ear or anything else is just grossly ill-advised.

It's not necessary to "dominate" a puppy to get it to obey.
02-08-2014 07:10 PM
David Winners
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Originally Posted by carrieincolorado View Post
Since the BF and I are still in the "taking it slow" stage, he is not here everyday.. could Chevelle still see him as Pack Leader if he isn't around much? Not wanting to place blame on him or anyone else but the really aggressive barking behavior only started after he began holding her on the floor on her back. The trainer suggests that this is making her "snap" a bit and she is shifting to defensive behavior.
While dogs do need and want leadership, the idea of an alpha ruling over the pack is incorrect. Without seeing the dog, I would guess that she is taking this as rough play and is responding with more rough play of her own. Dogs don't alpha roll one another by force. This isn't something she is hard wired to understand.

The people who initially recommended this type of training don't even recommend it anymore. I would stop the BF from trying to dominate the dog and start training it the behaviors you expect. Good obedience training leads to a well behaved dog.

I would also recommend an exercise program that includes both physical and mental exercise. A tired dog is less likely to be reactive. Scan through the puppy threads for ideas. There are plenty of exercise options for a young dog. They will be fun for both of you, will increase your bond, and will offer you the opportunity to reach the dog to comply with obedience commands while excited.

David Winners
02-08-2014 07:06 PM
diarmuid957 Your trainer is quite right. Alpha dominance moves like holding a puppy on its back will only reinforce a defensive fight or flight response. That tactic is like a bad urban myth...and will only probably damage the bond between you and Chevelle. Even though you are female your puppy still sees you as the pack leader...not your BF . She is looking to you to protect her--and correct her--when she crosses the line. Just like a human toddler, imo.

If you have time while the puppy is away try to watch the online videos on building pack structure from Leerburg. You have to teach Chevelle your daughter is higher in the pack hierarchy than she is. Also on YouTube check out Training Positive. Since your puppy is so clever I think his training methods will work very well for you!

Chevelle is so gorgeous! I wish you good luck.




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02-08-2014 07:01 PM
David Winners I suggest you read through the stickies in the puppy sections. Here are a couple to get you started.

http:// http://www.germanshepherds.c...nhibition.html
http:// http://www.germanshepherds.c...ant-puppy.html


Alpha rolling and biting the dog back are antiquated training methods that can have serious repercussions. I would recommend finding a trainer that is experienced in reward based training of working dogs / GSDs. There are also some great books available in the subject. Jean Donaldson, Dr. Dobson, Patricia McConnell, and Leslie McDevitt are all authors I would suggest.

GSD puppies can be a handful. Have some patience, educate yourself, and think things through. I would also suggest you get the BF on board with the same training principles and methods you decide to use. Consistency is paramount in training. If you are both on the same page it will be much more productive and easier on the dog.
02-08-2014 06:50 PM
carrieincolorado Since the BF and I are still in the "taking it slow" stage, he is not here everyday.. could Chevelle still see him as Pack Leader if he isn't around much? Not wanting to place blame on him or anyone else but the really aggressive barking behavior only started after he began holding her on the floor on her back. The trainer suggests that this is making her "snap" a bit and she is shifting to defensive behavior.
02-08-2014 06:32 PM
carrieincolorado Well, I definitely believe in correcting my dog, more with positive reinforcement than slapping her in the face until she hits the floor. I think that is just plain rude.

Add to that my Ex Husband was abusive to animals (puppy killer, I kid you not) so over aggressive behavior toward my dog really freaked me out.
02-08-2014 06:28 PM
carrieincolorado


A couple pictures of my true love..
02-08-2014 06:28 PM
sehrgutcsg I laughed when I read your reply.. If you wait 6 more months to jump on her and nibble on her ear and make her cry out; "stop mommy" she may rule the house..

At 4 months you should correct her - then praise her when she act's the correct way you wish, you will gain her respect. Pounce, nibble, listen, cover your face.. Oops, did I just suggest you dominate your dog to protect your daughter's beautiful cheeks, you bet I did..!!
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