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02-03-2014 08:02 PM
Lucy Dog
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Originally Posted by shepherdmom View Post
Last time I looked they only had the adult formulas. I'll see if they have started to carry the puppy. TOTW puppy food is new isn't it?
It's not brand new. Pretty sure it's been out at least a year. It's the stuff my current puppy was on from the breeder that i got in the summer, so it's been out since then at least.

If they don't carry it, maybe you can ask if they'd start to order it. If they already carry the regular stuff, I'd think it wouldn't be that big of a deal. It's worth asking.
02-03-2014 08:00 PM
barnyard If you look on the puppy food section on these forums, Ken did a spreadsheet that has calcium/phos levels of dog food. I think Diamond Naturals was fine, but check to be sure. I feed Dr Tims and levels are fine with the Kinesis grain inclusive. It is chicken based though, and the vet was wondering whether the new pup had some allergies, so I was thinking of changing foods to another protein based food and managed to get myself all confused - lol.
The pup's ears have settled down anyway, so we're sticking with Dr Tim's for now.

I was really thinking about how the higher levels of some of the foods - especially grain free ones, affects older animals.
02-03-2014 07:43 PM
shepherdmom
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Originally Posted by Lucy Dog View Post
TOTW puppy is fine for large breed puppies. It's their regular adult formulas that have too much calcium.
Last time I looked they only had the adult formulas. I'll see if they have started to carry the puppy. TOTW puppy food is new isn't it?
02-03-2014 07:37 PM
Lucy Dog
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Originally Posted by shepherdmom View Post
None of the recommended foods Fromm, Orijen... etc. are available local. I have a Big R. They have loyall, eukanuba, iams, sports mix, diamond naturals, totw, purina and science diet. Diamond Naturals is what I feed my older dogs but am wavering on the puppy because I can't find the cal/phosphorus info, They show min not max. TOTW is supposed to not be good for puppies. If the weather is ok, I might be able to get to tractor supply who has 4-health puppy but its not large breed.

I am not going to order online because delivery in my area is iffy. It gets dumped at the end of my driveway when the weather is ok. Sometimes over the fence sometimes not.
TOTW puppy is fine for large breed puppies. It's their regular adult formulas that have too much calcium.
02-03-2014 06:49 PM
Carriesue It's a lot of money for what you're getting which is basically fillers and low quality meat by products. I had two dogs eating it, one dog died of cancer at 6 and the other got cancer twice and ended up dying from complications with chemo. Not saying it's related but I'm not taking my chances with it anymore.
02-03-2014 06:45 PM
shepherdmom
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Originally Posted by Lucy Dog View Post
I know people that smoked for 50 years and never got cancer either. Does that make smoking ok? Obviously smoking for 50 years and feeding science diet to a dog are two completely different things. My point is just because it worked well for your one dog does not make it a decent food compared to it's competition. Dogs will probably get by on science diet, but i'd prefer a little more than just getting by. Just me though.

Just look at the ingredients. Little meat and full of fillers and the stuff isn't cheap. The calcium is probably low in that food because there's not much meat. It's just corn, rice, soy, etc.

It's been discussed a thousand times on here. You're on here enough to have the time to do a 10 minute search and you'll find a huge list of affordable kibbles, that have better ingredients than SD, and around the same price range.

Here's two similar kibbles and both ok for LBP's. Fromm is a much better food. Keep in mind that the fromm is 33# and science diet is 30#.

Hill's Science Diet Puppy Large Breed Dry Dog Food

Fromm Gold Holistic Large Breed Puppy Dry Dog Food
None of the recommended foods Fromm, Orijen... etc. are available local. I have a Big R. They have loyall, eukanuba, iams, sports mix, diamond naturals, totw, purina and science diet. Diamond Naturals is what I feed my older dogs but am wavering on the puppy because I can't find the cal/phosphorus info, They show min not max. TOTW is supposed to not be good for puppies. If the weather is ok, I might be able to get to tractor supply who has 4-health puppy but its not large breed.

I am not going to order online because delivery in my area is iffy. It gets dumped at the end of my driveway when the weather is ok. Sometimes over the fence sometimes not.
02-03-2014 01:06 PM
Lucy Dog
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Originally Posted by shepherdmom View Post
Science Diet was all my dog had from a puppy until a few years ago. He is 12. In all that time he never had an allergy, he coat was and is beautiful. I understand there is better stuff out there and I've switched but you can do a lot worse to your dog. After looking at all the puppy foods trying to find out if they have the right ratios for lg breed. Am seriously considering going back to Science Diet for my puppy. I know it works.
I know people that smoked for 50 years and never got cancer either. Does that make smoking ok? Obviously smoking for 50 years and feeding science diet to a dog are two completely different things. My point is just because it worked well for your one dog does not make it a decent food compared to it's competition. Dogs will probably get by on science diet, but i'd prefer a little more than just getting by. Just me though.

Just look at the ingredients. Little meat and full of fillers and the stuff isn't cheap. The calcium is probably low in that food because there's not much meat. It's just corn, rice, soy, etc.

It's been discussed a thousand times on here. You're on here enough to have the time to do a 10 minute search and you'll find a huge list of affordable kibbles, that have better ingredients than SD, and around the same price range.

Here's two similar kibbles and both ok for LBP's. Fromm is a much better food. Keep in mind that the fromm is 33# and science diet is 30#.

Hill's Science Diet Puppy Large Breed Dry Dog Food

Fromm Gold Holistic Large Breed Puppy Dry Dog Food
02-03-2014 12:52 PM
shepherdmom
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Originally Posted by Lucy Dog View Post
The ones you listed are the grocery store brands around here. Purina One is probably about the same as science diet. The rest are slightly worse, but also a lot cheaper too. Science Diet costs as much as some of the more premium brands.

There are hundreds out there that are better than science diet. I could probably count on two hands the amount of brands that are worse.
Science Diet was all my dog had from a puppy until a few years ago. He is 12. In all that time he never had an allergy, he coat was and is beautiful. I understand there is better stuff out there and I've switched but you can do a lot worse to your dog. After looking at all the puppy foods trying to find out if they have the right ratios for lg breed. Am seriously considering going back to Science Diet for my puppy. I know it works.
02-03-2014 12:46 PM
Doc the prescription diets are used for specific issues and in most cases, highly effective. I have used prescription diets and they worked extremely well. They are formulated with ingredients that will help.
I do not particularly like Science Diet regular kibble. I think there are kibbles in the same price range that have less questionable ingredients. If it is the best you can afford, then feed it.
02-03-2014 11:00 AM
kr16
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Originally Posted by Okin View Post
Is the prescription diet version as bad?
Pretty much, yes. If you read the labels you can find the same thing in the regular version. I was at the vet on Friday and my girl has a bacterial infection in the intestines. The vet brought out Royal canine hypo garbage something. I ripped the vet and made him read the ingredients. It was a joke. Rice than all crap. If you learn how to read a bag of food its pretty easy to figure what is good and what is not. Than you have to learn about the companies.

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